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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by valuearb » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:49 PM UTC

tpush wrote: post #86

valuearb wrote: post #62

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Windows has a monopoly lock on it's customers. They can't run their applications on Linux or MacOS (or they certainly would) so they keep buying it. Users don't have to upgrade to touchbar MBPs, they can a) still buy newly manufactured old style MBPs, or b) not upgrade Yet they've bought the touchbar MBPs in massive volumes. I've heard lots of anecdotal complaints about the touchbars, the keyboards. But I've also hea…

"They can't run their applications on Linux or MacOS (or they certainly would)" The vast majority of Windows users do not use Windows-only applications. They're using a browser, probably an office suit; both can be done on macOS or even Linux just as well. So no, Windows users are not all clamoring to actually run macOS, only held back by apps that run on Windows but not on macOS. Ironically, the buying-because-of-lo…

No, Windows use us predominantly for low paying clerical, customer support, etc. jobs, where hardware cost matters much more.

The average sales price of a Mac is 3x that of the sversge Windows PC because Macs are used by professionals, whose time is valuable.

Windows users are running what their company tells them to run, usually an internal database application for managing customer interactions.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by valuearb » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:51 PM UTC

akulbe wrote: post #91

valuearb wrote: post #15

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I won’t downvote you, but this are just a bunch of random assertions. I’ve upgraded to High Sierra, no problems. Done all the ios updates, no problems. Apple was constantly dealing with quality issues while Jobs was alive. Remember AntennaGate? Apple has more products and customers than ever now, meaning more anecdotal complaints than ever. And no one uses the Mac App store, so no problems.

At current count, there are 718 people that have reported having these issues with instability on High Sierra. Are you going to dismiss all of them, as quickly as you're dismissing the person you responded to?

How many million users does High Sierra have?

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by akulbe » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:53 PM UTC

valuearb wrote: post #112

akulbe wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At current count, there are 718 people that have reported having these issues with instability on High Sierra. Are you going to dismiss all of them, as quickly as you're dismissing the person you responded to?

How many million users does High Sierra have?

You're missing the point again, completely. Your experience does not negate that of all the other folks who are reporting issues.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by DonHopkins » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 5:58 PM UTC

Whenever my MBP gets slightly hot (if for example I turn the room heater on, instead of opening a window to let in cold air, or if I dare to have too many tabs open in Chrome), the whole system grinds to a halt and becomes totally useless, while Activity Monitor shows the "kernel_task" pinned at 400% - 700% CPU, with the CPU LOAD graph showing a mostly red mountain of system time being burnt by kernel_task.

I think it may be "SpeedStep" shitting all over itself and putting the CPU into a death spiral.

I've had several generations of MBP that continuously fail this way, so it's not something new to High Sierra.

I'm really disappointed that Apple keeps making each model of MBP thinner and thinner and hotter and hotter, instead of making it thicker with better cooling and ventilation. I don't fucking NEED it to be that thin! What I NEED is for it not to fucking freeze all the time.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by garyrob » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 6:01 PM UTC

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

I've been an apple fan since the '70's. My first Mac was a Mac Plus. At that point, I truly was a diehard fan because I viewed it as 10X better than the PC world. The engineering was amazing, both for hardware and software. It did have practical problems based mostly on not enough memory being available, but I forgave it because it was so darn beautiful in so many ways. I would tell everyone who would listen to get a mac, and a number of people who would have otherwise been using PC's got into the mac world because of me.

My affection for Apple has been slowly diminishing over the years. At this point, the fact is that their software is absurdly unreliable and isn't even well designed in the UI department, even though great UI was their main way of attracting fans.

I do still use all the built-in apps, including iTunes. They enable me to do what I want to do even though I regard some aspects of iTunes' design as ridiculously bad. I don't have a lot of motivation to change. I've figured out that, for instance, in order to do a search of Apple Music, you have any of the iTunes tabs selected EXCEPT Store. I can use it even though I find the design to be very lacking.

I have pretty much lost all my loyalty to Apple at this point, between the unreliability and the poor design. The main thing that's keeping me in the Apple world is the fact that I just have to believe that reliability has gotten so bad that no matter what kinds of blinders they've been wearing, they're going to have to see that something is seriously wrong, and start to seriously work to address the situation. And I'd rather not have to adjust to new OS's, and I'd like to be able to stay familiar with Apple software so I can keep helping people I know who are using it (in many cases, due to me). I am hopeful that in a year or two, reliability (if not UI design) will be decent again. I'm even hoping that this will be explicitly addressed by Tim Cook in his next keynote. The reliability situation is so obviously bad that he really should discuss it. I think Steve Jobs might have done so if things had gotten to this point--but I don't think they would have gotten this bad under him, even though there were major problems under his tenure.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by taternuts » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 6:02 PM UTC

Upgrading for me left me with missing apps and having to fix homebrew and a bunch of other CLI tools and their deps. First time I've ever run into problems upgrading my macos, and will definitely wait a while and look for threads like these before installing the next one.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by sowbug » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 6:03 PM UTC

_Simon wrote: post #93

The sheer volume of these type of post is beginning to smell a lot like astroturfing. The faux outrage is comical. No issues with any Apple device with the lastest software for myself or anyone I know. I can only assume that these are either edge cases or unmitigated hyperbole.

You're saying that more evidence makes something less likely to be true? I suppose Elvis is alive, too.

Add this to your proof of conspiracy: my daughter's stock 12-inch MacBook, purchased this summer, updated to 10.13.1 and started having exactly the same problems. The only reason I know is she recently started borrowing my non-macOS computer to get her homework done.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by malz » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 6:03 PM UTC

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

Apple makes 90% of their revenue from iOS devices. The answer to "why the decline" is it's not material to their business or stock market performance.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by JohnnyConatus » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 6:05 PM UTC

malz wrote: post #118

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

Apple makes 90% of their revenue from iOS devices. The answer to "why the decline" is it's not material to their business or stock market performance.

I think your right. But if the idea is the halo effect that keeps me in the ecosystem, they need to do better on the OS/laptop front and on the Siri front. Both are slipping.

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Post by krutzger » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 6:08 PM UTC

chomp wrote: post #60

Cshelton wrote: post #32

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Same here, I'm holding out. You probably already know just how excited I was to hear they will combine Mac OS and IOS into one OS. I can't wait for all the new bu..err.. features we'll be getting!! \s How's Linux doing with battery life on a laptop these days? I think my 2014 MacBook may be my last.

I have a Dell Precision 5510 with Skylake i7, 32gb RAM, NVMe I get about 10 hours of battery life on Fedora 27. Not too bad at all.

How is the Dell laptop in general?

I'm about to ditch apple and was thinking to get either a Dell or a ThinkPad.