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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by ungzd »

JD557 wrote: post #23
christoph wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s APFS that’s the cause of my biggest frustration, but I’ve not seen anyone else complain about. I normally run with about 50gb free space. After three to four days, I’m normally down to about 3gb and nothing will get it to show back up, other than a reboot. I’ve even run a test which supports this - downloaded 35gb of files, deleted them and emptied the trash. Same thing... space is missing till I reboot.

Do you have the Time Machine enabled? I also have this problem in Sierra. If my Time Machine HDD is not connected, it stores the backups locally. I can only reclaim space if I disable the Time Machine and restart my mac.

Yes, this is likely the reason: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204015, and maybe (due to bug or by design) these snapshots are enabled always, even if backup partition is not configured.

> In macOS High Sierra, Time Machine stores snapshots on every APFS-formatted, all-flash storage device in your Mac or directly connected to your Mac.

I'm curious how it's implemented? Does it use whole-filesystem snapshots? Some discussion: https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/81171

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by Nexxxeh »

dingo_bat wrote: post #50
sccxy wrote: post #30

For me it is impossible to get updates for High Sierra. App Store is not working and manual install is impossible. It tells my Macbook Air has Fusion drive which is incompatible with latest High Sierra. No Macbook Air has ever got Fusion drive.. Waiting for some free time to reinstall macOS.

My wife recently installed Win10 on her Macbook Air. Seems to run perfectly now :D

For anyone who doesn't want to (re)install macOS just to use Bootcamp just to install the Win 10 drivers for hardware...

https://github.com/timsutton/brigadier

Grab the executable from Release, run it with -i .

Apple don't offer current Windows driver download packs on the website. Their contempt for their own customers is beyond infuriating.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by mschuster91 »

valuearb wrote: post #62
jarym wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? Windows had been the best selling Operating System for a great many years. It turned into a pile of turd and continued to be the best selling OS.

Windows has a monopoly lock on it's customers. They can't run their applications on Linux or MacOS (or they certainly would) so they keep buying it. Users don't have to upgrade to touchbar MBPs, they can a) still buy newly manufactured old style MBPs, or b) not upgrade Yet they've bought the touchbar MBPs in massive volumes. I've heard lots of anecdotal complaints about the touchbars, the keyboards. But I've also hea…

> Users don't have to upgrade to touchbar MBPs

They have, if they want anything comparable in performance to the Windows world (even though 16GB RAM tops is just laughable when there are many 64GB laptops in the Windows world, and I guess 128GB is not far around the corner...).

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by threeseed »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

> Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices

When ? Seriously when. I have used MacOS since 4.1 and never remember a period where there was the case. Especially during this phase of the development lifecycle i.e. we have only just had the 2nd point release update.

I worked at Apple pre and post Jobs and nothing changed. Because he never managed any of the teams directly and his involvement had been less and less for years prior.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by threeseed »

aaomidi wrote: post #72
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

My avoidance of their built in apps is just simply that I don't want to be locked in to the apple eco system. Apple has always took a closed approach to their software and it's going to hurt them in the long run.

Apple has relied on closed software for 40 years.

They are now fast approaching the first trillion dollar company. When exactly is this approach going to stop working for them ? And what evidence is there that people are suddenly going to flock to open source software ?

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by tpush »

valuearb wrote: post #62
jarym wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? Windows had been the best selling Operating System for a great many years. It turned into a pile of turd and continued to be the best selling OS.

Windows has a monopoly lock on it's customers. They can't run their applications on Linux or MacOS (or they certainly would) so they keep buying it. Users don't have to upgrade to touchbar MBPs, they can a) still buy newly manufactured old style MBPs, or b) not upgrade Yet they've bought the touchbar MBPs in massive volumes. I've heard lots of anecdotal complaints about the touchbars, the keyboards. But I've also hea…

"They can't run their applications on Linux or MacOS (or they certainly would)"

The vast majority of Windows users do not use Windows-only applications. They're using a browser, probably an office suit; both can be done on macOS or even Linux just as well.

So no, Windows users are not all clamoring to actually run macOS, only held back by apps that run on Windows but not on macOS.

Ironically, the buying-because-of-lock-in argument most describes macOS and especially iOS.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by strictnein »

carlivar wrote: post #44
stevenh wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible that the company is being sabotaged from the inside by employees secretly working on behalf of competitors, and Tim Cook is too naive to see through their sycophancy and specious "good" update ideas?

I think Hanlon's Razor applies.

Interesting. Didn't know the name for the phrase "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." until now, even though I think of it almost daily.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by ninkendo »

baggachipz wrote: post #3

Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

It’s... fine? Honestly I’ve upgraded on day 1 on every OSX release since lion, the only complaint I really have about High Sierra is that it doesn’t really change anything. I can’t even name one thing off the top of my head that changed since Sierra, and I use almost every built-in app (Mail, iTunes, Calendar, Safari, Terminal.)

Safari has some new things (global and per-site reader view, disabling autoplay, privacy enhancements) but that doesn’t really count since it also works on Sierra.

I honestly don’t see what all the complaints are about, but I might just be lucky.

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