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Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by goldenkey »

newscracker wrote: post #105
crypt1d wrote: post #48

As far as I'm concerned, this is a deal breaker. I've been an iOS user since 3GS and now I'm ready to jump ship. Apple has been disappointing me since few years now, and I've postponed migrating to Android mostly because I'm accustomed to its UX. But this is enough of a push for me to make an effort to give Android a try. I'm looking into Oneplus 5T and Pixel 2 XL. Any other suggestions?

The Pixel 2 (not XL) would probably a good enough choice between those two, though I'm not sure if this battery degradation experience would be much better on other devices (in my understanding, those devices would experience sudden shutdowns with a degraded/older battery, just like iPhones did before the software updates to throttle CPU performance). The Pixel 2 XL has also been reported to have some serious display…

I have the Pixel 2 XL and can concur that the screen quality is terrible. The screen is too reflective and the actual color is quite garrish. The backlight also does not dim enough when using it at night. Overall, the build quality is significantly worse than the Pixel 1 XL. Go with a different brand, Google screwed the 2nd rendition up badly...

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by goldenkey »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #111
goldenkey wrote: post #59

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I have the Pixel 2 XL. Had the Pixel 1 XL before. Pixel 1 was great. But 2 is meh.. The screen quality is lackluster. The lack of a home button is annoying. Its not a great phone in terms of build quality especially for the high price. I dont know much about the OnePlus but I had a Galaxy Note beforehand and I absolutely loved it. Samsung has been making really great phones other than the battery explosion blip. If I…

Samsung's Nexus phones were the worst of the series. Samsung's own phones don't get monthly security updates, so I would avoid them. Stick to Pixel or Android One devices if you're getting an Android phone. Blackberry and Nokia have promised fast updates as well.

I was talking about the Galaxy series. The note is an excellent phone. I used both the Note 4 and 5 in the past. Much better than the Pixel 2 in terms of build quality. The Pixel was great but the Pixel 2 is garrish (screen quality and build quality.) I have no opinions on and have never used the Nexus seres.

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by mmjaa »

lostmsu wrote: post #117
ddlsmurf wrote: post #113

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Because before apple came along, batteries were considered the consumable and were user replaceable. Now apple wants the whole phone to be the consumable. This not good for users nor the planet. Only people who would want a marginally thiner phone in exchange for buying a new one every year and apple's profit margins benefit.

I fail to see why is it relevant to the current issue. Its not like you know 100% that if the battery would be swappable easily, they would suddenly decide to tell you instead of silently slowing the phones down. Honestly, it feels like people, who have grudge on manufacturers for making non-swappable battery, just need an excuse to bring the swapping topic afloat. It is also important not to affect any potential law…

The point is that we wouldn't have a need for these slow-downs if we could just replace the batteries ourselves.

The whole thing is geared to make Apple more money, and consumers stupider.

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by mdwrigh2 »

mplewis wrote: post #10
simonbarker87 wrote: post #6

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If Apple slowed the phone down upfront then people would complain that Apple were throttling as the user is “too dumb to look after their battery properly” so instead they are doing when they can point to a proven need to throttle the device. This feels like a no win situation for Apple unless they had/will put in “throttle my phone so it doesn’t go weird” switch in settings. Side note: we’ve known for years that ham…

On that note, it'd be nice if Apple were more user-friendly about battery cycle counts. I don't think there's a way for me to see battery health without installing an app, and I've never seen a message asking me to replace the battery in my two-year-old iPhone.

If the battery does degrade to the point of needing to be replaced, there is a message in the battery settings page: http://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/iP...

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by on_and_off »

goldenkey wrote: post #119
on_and_off wrote: post #108

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Got a Pixel 2 XL, I can easily recommend it. Great Phone !

I have the Pixel 2 XL and think it is a terrible phone. The screen quality is absolutely garrish and it doesn't even dim to an appreciable level when using it at night.

Do you use night mode ?

What is your issue with the screen ? I like it a lot ! it goes for accuracy over color popping though, so I get that not everybody is going to like it but to go as far as finding it garrish ? I know that some phones in the first batch had screens issues but I have nothing to report.

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by lostmsu »

mmjaa wrote: post #123
lostmsu wrote: post #117

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I fail to see why is it relevant to the current issue. Its not like you know 100% that if the battery would be swappable easily, they would suddenly decide to tell you instead of silently slowing the phones down. Honestly, it feels like people, who have grudge on manufacturers for making non-swappable battery, just need an excuse to bring the swapping topic afloat. It is also important not to affect any potential law…

The point is that we wouldn't have a need for these slow-downs if we could just replace the batteries ourselves. The whole thing is geared to make Apple more money, and consumers stupider.

I understand your point, but now you can see how my fear of talking battery replacements came true. Probably millions of people bought new iPhones this year because they were deceived. Next day after my comment and all the discussions Apple announces they will make replacements cheaper. But those millions are still basically f*cked. And Apple will get away with it because most people complained about replaceability of the battery, while the only real issue is straight up illegal deception. Talking about battery swappability only serves Apple by driving conversation away from it. They will never make battery swappable unless there's a regulation to force it.

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by goldenkey »

on_and_off wrote: post #125
goldenkey wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the Pixel 2 XL and think it is a terrible phone. The screen quality is absolutely garrish and it doesn't even dim to an appreciable level when using it at night.

Do you use night mode ? What is your issue with the screen ? I like it a lot ! it goes for accuracy over color popping though, so I get that not everybody is going to like it but to go as far as finding it garrish ? I know that some phones in the first batch had screens issues but I have nothing to report.

I use Night Mode but it doesn't help much. The sRGB gamut issue related to accuracy isnt the reason why...I have the latest patch and even used Oreo Colorizer before then. The screen sucks.

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by mmjaa »

lostmsu wrote: post #126
mmjaa wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that we wouldn't have a need for these slow-downs if we could just replace the batteries ourselves. The whole thing is geared to make Apple more money, and consumers stupider.

I understand your point, but now you can see how my fear of talking battery replacements came true. Probably millions of people bought new iPhones this year because they were deceived. Next day after my comment and all the discussions Apple announces they will make replacements cheaper. But those millions are still basically f*cked. And Apple will get away with it because most people complained about replaceability o…

They're going to have to suffer some way, before they'll change their attitude. And they've got a few billions of dollars worth of buffer between them, and suffering, so .. you may indeed be right. Lets see.

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by ddlsmurf »

lostmsu wrote: post #126
mmjaa wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that we wouldn't have a need for these slow-downs if we could just replace the batteries ourselves. The whole thing is geared to make Apple more money, and consumers stupider.

I understand your point, but now you can see how my fear of talking battery replacements came true. Probably millions of people bought new iPhones this year because they were deceived. Next day after my comment and all the discussions Apple announces they will make replacements cheaper. But those millions are still basically f*cked. And Apple will get away with it because most people complained about replaceability o…

I disagree this is "straight up illegal deception", in fact, I find the slowing down perfectly rational and a desirable feature. The problem isn't the slowing down, but it is shining light on the irreplaceability, which IMHO is the true crime against the planet. That our legal infrastructures haven't caught up to it is irrelevant, planned obsolescence is a cancer, and if this is the only time people will notice, damn straight I'll use it

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by lostmsu »

ddlsmurf wrote: post #129
lostmsu wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your point, but now you can see how my fear of talking battery replacements came true. Probably millions of people bought new iPhones this year because they were deceived. Next day after my comment and all the discussions Apple announces they will make replacements cheaper. But those millions are still basically f*cked. And Apple will get away with it because most people complained about replaceability o…

I disagree this is "straight up illegal deception", in fact, I find the slowing down perfectly rational and a desirable feature. The problem isn't the slowing down, but it is shining light on the irreplaceability, which IMHO is the true crime against the planet. That our legal infrastructures haven't caught up to it is irrelevant, planned obsolescence is a cancer, and if this is the only time people will notice, damn…

It's quite selfish to assume what's OK for you is ok for everyone else in a same situation.
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