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Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by jackvalentine »

waterphone wrote: post #96
jackvalentine wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm one of the people defending Apple's charge for battery replacement as reasonable, but his point is it's actually a physically difficult thing to do, to replace the battery. It takes real skill to replace a modern iphone battery without ruining it. > "they are running them so close to the redline that they can only handle it for a year" As for this, he's citing the fact the iPhone 7 is affected - a phone that came…

It doesn't really take that much skill. I did it in 15 minutes for the first time with no advance reading/watching. The kits you can buy online come with a full set of tools and instructions.

Counter anecdote: my housemate totally ruined his girlfriends phone trying.

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by crypt1d »

watmough wrote: post #53
crypt1d wrote: post #48

As far as I'm concerned, this is a deal breaker. I've been an iOS user since 3GS and now I'm ready to jump ship. Apple has been disappointing me since few years now, and I've postponed migrating to Android mostly because I'm accustomed to its UX. But this is enough of a push for me to make an effort to give Android a try. I'm looking into Oneplus 5T and Pixel 2 XL. Any other suggestions?

For $500, the Essential Phone may be worth a look. My wife seems pretty happy with hers.

interesting choice. doesn't ship to Europe though :/

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by specialist »

alecthomas wrote: post #29

My wife and I both just upgraded our iPhone 6's because they became unusably slow after iOS 11. Prior to the upgrade they had been running fine with no issues. We tried many things including disabling all background app usage, full wipe and restore, etc. My wife eventually took hers into the Apple store and they said they didn't know why it was slowing down but that she shouldn't have upgraded and that there was noth…

My household has both an iPhone 6 and 6s. Both have become noticeably slower, more battery consuming.

I just did the full backup and restore trick. We think it worked.

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/12/22/glenn-iphone-sl...

http://mglenn.com/blog/2017/12/22/apples-bungled-battery-fea...

My boss (she who must be obeyed) and I both "feel" that our phones are now more responsive and some features have resumed working like normal.

Such as retrieving voicemails, which had become unresponsive. For both of us. I had been blaming our cell provider (carrier). My bad.

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by specialist »

leonroy wrote: post #41
blocked_again wrote: post #36

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Holy shit. You people just throw away the old iPhone after buying a new one? That is a luxury almost no one in my country has. So weird that the people get to live the life on basis of how well the seed generator of Universe performed during their birth.

No one in the West (that I’ve ever met) literally throws away old iPhones. They either get handed down to a kid (merits of which are for another thread) or a friend or relative. Some folk do trade in their old phone and a lot flip them on the used market. I think getting more life out of those devices for the original purchaser is of paramount importance though if we are to stop polluting our environment with the con…

I've kept all my old iOS devices. I keep thinking I'm going to finally use that iPod to control my Lego Mindstorms. Or use old iPhones as wifi security cams. I am using one old iPhone to video record meetings.

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by newscracker »

crypt1d wrote: post #48

As far as I'm concerned, this is a deal breaker. I've been an iOS user since 3GS and now I'm ready to jump ship. Apple has been disappointing me since few years now, and I've postponed migrating to Android mostly because I'm accustomed to its UX. But this is enough of a push for me to make an effort to give Android a try. I'm looking into Oneplus 5T and Pixel 2 XL. Any other suggestions?

The Pixel 2 (not XL) would probably a good enough choice between those two, though I'm not sure if this battery degradation experience would be much better on other devices (in my understanding, those devices would experience sudden shutdowns with a degraded/older battery, just like iPhones did before the software updates to throttle CPU performance). The Pixel 2 XL has also been reported to have some serious display issues [1] that the Pixel 2 doesn't.

[1]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/pixel-2-and-2-xl-rev...

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by specialist »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #2

I really like Linus' (Sebastian, not Torvalds) thoughts about this: https://youtu.be/TJUeHmdzSx4?t=11m22s Basically, Apple chose to tune the phones to run at a dangerously high configuration to increase benchmarks, knowing that the battery will degrade like this (and that when the iphone X2 comes out, nobody will be talking about this, instead they'll be talking about how much faster the X2 is than the X). His exact…

I love this hack. It's awesome that a device was made adaptive to its context. Tunable. We can chip our cars to optimize performance. We can even remotely update satellites, probes, rovers to extend their lives. Awesome.

Better would be a "check engine light" when a new battery is needed.

Best would be full transparency. I want coconutBattery functionality on the iOS device. I want the option of running the diagnostic utilities the Genius Bar uses.

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Post by simonbarker87 »

HenryBemis wrote: post #71
ako wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should apple replace batteries for free? Do you expect a car company to replace car-batteries or tires for free? Some components just wear and need to be replaced. Apple just provided a workaround that ensures your device doesn't crash due to the worn out component.

The fault is Apple decided on our behalf that we spend $1000 to replace the phone instead of spending $100 to replace the battery. Completely impartial decision. I call that a FRAUD. Apple can call it "caring for me". Either way, Apple made the choice that costs me $900 more than it could/should. I'll keep using my (jailbroken) devices, and I am looking for the day that this "tweak" will be revered in Cydia, and Appl…

Can’t you pay them £79 for a new battery whenever you want and they will do the swap for you?

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by on_and_off »

crypt1d wrote: post #48

As far as I'm concerned, this is a deal breaker. I've been an iOS user since 3GS and now I'm ready to jump ship. Apple has been disappointing me since few years now, and I've postponed migrating to Android mostly because I'm accustomed to its UX. But this is enough of a push for me to make an effort to give Android a try. I'm looking into Oneplus 5T and Pixel 2 XL. Any other suggestions?

Got a Pixel 2 XL, I can easily recommend it. Great Phone !

Re: Apple faces lawsuits after admitting it slows down aging iPhones

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Post by mistercow »

chrisper wrote: post #46
mistercow wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source on lithium ion batteries working this way, because all of the sources I'm finding (and it's not the first time I've researched this) say that shallow cycles dramatically improve battery longevity. My understanding is that "cycles" are used in discussing battery lifespan for the purposes of warranties and the like because they're an easy-to-define user behavior, not because they actually reflect h…

>There’s no need to let it discharge 100% before recharging. Apple lithium-ion batteries work in charge cycles. You complete one charge cycle when you’ve used (discharged) an amount that equals 100% of your battery’s capacity — but not necessarily all from one charge. For instance, you might use 75% of your battery’s capacity one day, then recharge it fully overnight. If you use 25% the next day, you will have discha…

Oh, I think I misunderstood your original comment. You were saying that she charged 90% each time, not charged from 90%. In that case, we're saying the same thing.

Part of what I was talking about was, for example, I believe the Mac system profiler counts a cycle as any change from positive to negative discharge (or at least it did once upon a time), regardless of discharge depth. This gives Apple employees more opportunities to pull up your information and say "nope, sorry, your battery is expected to be dead after this many cycles", and make you feel like it's reasonable that you need to replace the battery.

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Post by szatkus »

netsharc wrote: post #9
chipperyman573 wrote: post #2

I really like Linus' (Sebastian, not Torvalds) thoughts about this: https://youtu.be/TJUeHmdzSx4?t=11m22s Basically, Apple chose to tune the phones to run at a dangerously high configuration to increase benchmarks, knowing that the battery will degrade like this (and that when the iphone X2 comes out, nobody will be talking about this, instead they'll be talking about how much faster the X2 is than the X). His exact…

For those interested this is Linus Sebastian (or his last name "Tech Tips"), not Torvalds... As the video was loading I was wondering if Torvalds had started commenting on general tech news.

Well, Linus Torvalds posts at RWT.
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