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Re: Symbols Found in Ice Age Caves Across Europe (2015)

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Post by Houshalter »

shervinafshar wrote: post #134
Houshalter wrote: post #130

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Why is it so controversial to have a swastika symbol in unicode? The hammer and sickle had no problems and it is also banned in some countries.

I didn't express an opinion there as you seemingly assumed. I just stated that it ended up becoming controversial and this can be seen by referring to the documents and historical records of the meetings discussing the subject. One could see what I'm talking about if they at least skim through the blog post I linked to in my comment. Also, controversy is not a comparative matter (and this one indeed is an opinion). E…

I'm not accusing you of anything. I just think it's ridiculous for the Unicode people and others to have such a double standard. It harms tibetans, and it shows a disturbing political bias.

Re: Symbols Found in Ice Age Caves Across Europe (2015)

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Post by oldandtired »

mmjaa wrote: post #69
justin_vanw wrote: post #25

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This is just 'ancient astronaut' nonsense. If you gave modern people some incentive to move big stones around without heavy machinery they would figure out how to do it in a couple of months. It's just not hard to do, and people have been moving much larger pieces of stone during recorded history, so we know the techniques used perfectly well. Lots of the obelisks in Rome are far larger than any prehistoric stones mo…

I think, the further back in history we go, the kookier things get - and that this is a positive, not a negative aspect of the experience. We in the modern age have conditioned ourselves to be subjugated to science - well, for the humans alive 20,000 years ago, cave-paintings were science. The fact that we don't understand them now, and have very strong opinions about the nature of civilisation in that period of huma…

One does not need to look at ancient civilisations for unknown technologies.

If you are somewhat interested in the history of technology, one will quickly see many examples since the mid 19th century of technologies that came into existence and are no more. Due to the way technological development flows, once a particular technology disappears, it can be difficult if not impossible to duplicate it even 20 to 30 years later.

If one reads fiction from the forties, you will find references to specific types of technology (especially in the space opera genre) that were in existence at that time and were highly advanced for that time. Yet, different types of technology have replaced those kinds in the years that followed and onto today.

There is much we do not know about how things were done in past centuries and, surprisingly, we cannot duplicate those crafts today. We don't have the required technology. Yet there are nanotechnologists who are actively studying to duplicate those century old unknown today processes.

Re: Symbols Found in Ice Age Caves Across Europe (2015)

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Post by timonoko »

spraak wrote: post #100
timonoko wrote: post #75

I bet the omnipresent "Sun"-symbol is removed from results, to conform with German Laws and general sentiments. You can find it on Nordic Runes and Tibetan tapestry and American Indian tepee decorations. And it always means "Sun" or "Good Luck" or something positive. Except after 1945 it does not.

I don't see any sources regarding it being found in North America or Northern Europe, specifically Runes. Can you share?

Google "Tursaansydän" and "Hopi Swastika".

Re: Symbols Found in Ice Age Caves Across Europe (2015)

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Post by kthejoker2 »

sbmassey wrote: post #111
tritium wrote: post #20

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Possibly ad-hoc way finding, and reference points when lost, to help detect if you're going in circles, or if a change of direction is necessary. If there are N number of confusing junctions, it would require the same number of markings as a unique mnemonic device to register the steps to escape the confusing area, and jog one's memory of how directions were negotiated the last time.

Or perhaps locations of good sources of food, shelter and so forth

Ancient hobo signs makes a lot of sense, wonder which one says "Tell pitiful story for food."

Re: Symbols Found in Ice Age Caves Across Europe (2015)

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Post by shervinafshar »

Houshalter wrote: post #141
shervinafshar wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't express an opinion there as you seemingly assumed. I just stated that it ended up becoming controversial and this can be seen by referring to the documents and historical records of the meetings discussing the subject. One could see what I'm talking about if they at least skim through the blog post I linked to in my comment. Also, controversy is not a comparative matter (and this one indeed is an opinion). E…

I'm not accusing you of anything. I just think it's ridiculous for the Unicode people and others to have such a double standard. It harms tibetans, and it shows a disturbing political bias.

I don't know what you're referring to. I'm not here to defend Unicode Consortium (there's no such a thing as "Unicode people"), but disturbing as it may seem to the rest of us, any organization has its own political biases. Probably you should start a better detailed thread on the mailing list about your concerns. That would be a more appropriate forum for discussing your concerns.

Re: Symbols Found in Ice Age Caves Across Europe (2015)

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

urig wrote: post #135
Ralfp wrote: post #127

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> The swastika was already quite firmly linked with fascism in Europe by the late 1920s. It wasn't. If anything, it was linked to preservation of tradition and conservatism. I know from my grandparents, who are Polish Highlanders, that it also doubles for holy cross, and thus was used in sacral contexts or on tombstones: https://slowianowierstwo.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/1095605... https://slowianowierstwo.files.wo…

The Nazi party adopted the hakenkreuz (swastika) in 1920. So yes, swastikas were associated with fascism long before WW2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Nazism

Thank you for understanding my point, which wasn't that the swastika was a longtime fascist symbol, but rather that the Nazi Party had accomplished its transformation into one by the late 1920s.

Re: Symbols Found in Ice Age Caves Across Europe (2015)

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Post by rebuilder »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #137
tomcooks wrote: post #121

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As opposed to explained mysteries? /s

An explained mystery would be something for which the method would be non-obvious, but nonetheless the method was known. Like a magic trick the solution of which were pubic knowledge - mysterious but explained in sources in the public domain.

So what's something where we can come up with several plausible methods, but don't have the evidence to conclusively decide which method actually was used?

Re: Symbols Found in Ice Age Caves Across Europe (2015)

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Post by antonvs »

fit2rule wrote: post #101
antonvs wrote: post #86

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> Perhaps the ancients did have anti-gravity capable flying machines Anti-gravity like that is essentially impossible according to physics. Even if you decide that you think general relativity is wrong, if a society had antigravity, we would expect to see many more signs of their technological advancement. Unless of course you want to believe that they used some sort of magic, using say incantations instead of techno…

The point is, we don't know everything there is to know about propulsion. "Anti-gravity" is just a useless phrase, sure, but .. maybe its more of a "gravity-bending" technology, who knows. That's really the point I think, is being made. We don't know everything there is to know about how the universe works. Just because ancient cultures might have left us clues to check ourselves before we wreck ourselves, doesn't me…

> maybe its more of a "gravity-bending" technology, who knows.

We already have gravity bending technology: it's called mass. Gravity is caused by concentrations of energy, which have to be extremely large to generate significant gravity.

How much do you know about general relativity? Are you sure that dreaming about this kind of stuff isn't just a way to avoid learning about what we already know? If we suddenly found something buried under an old village, would you want to learn about that, or do you just want to be able to use it without understanding it?

Re: Symbols Found in Ice Age Caves Across Europe (2015)

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Post by antonvs »

mmjaa wrote: post #103
antonvs wrote: post #86

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> Perhaps the ancients did have anti-gravity capable flying machines Anti-gravity like that is essentially impossible according to physics. Even if you decide that you think general relativity is wrong, if a society had antigravity, we would expect to see many more signs of their technological advancement. Unless of course you want to believe that they used some sort of magic, using say incantations instead of techno…

>Even if you decide that you think general relativity is wrong, if a society had antigravity, we would expect to see many more signs of their technological advancement. Maybe they got the technology, and subsequently used it to leave Earth alone, eh? And maybe it was the relatives they left behind that used that as a motivation for creative/artistic expression, in the dark, back here on Earth? I mean, this is really…

> Maybe they got the technology, and subsequently used it to leave Earth alone, eh?

And maybe there's an invisible dragon in my garage. This is not rational thought.

> I mean, this is really the point of these art-forms

My mistake, I thought we were discussing likely possibilities for external reality. If this is just a fantasy game, carry on.

Re: Symbols Found in Ice Age Caves Across Europe (2015)

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Post by fit2rule »

antonvs wrote: post #148
fit2rule wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is, we don't know everything there is to know about propulsion. "Anti-gravity" is just a useless phrase, sure, but .. maybe its more of a "gravity-bending" technology, who knows. That's really the point I think, is being made. We don't know everything there is to know about how the universe works. Just because ancient cultures might have left us clues to check ourselves before we wreck ourselves, doesn't me…

> maybe its more of a "gravity-bending" technology, who knows. We already have gravity bending technology: it's called mass. Gravity is caused by concentrations of energy, which have to be extremely large to generate significant gravity. How much do you know about general relativity? Are you sure that dreaming about this kind of stuff isn't just a way to avoid learning about what we already know? If we suddenly found…

I would want the people who understand these things to have an open mind about learning more, from such a discovery, were it to happen - and then I'd like everyone to have access to the technology so we can, like, vacation on Phobos and whatnot.

Seriously though, your point is correct. But, obviously, if there were space-faring UFO's capable of impossible speeds, then there'd have to be something behind it all that we are missing. Maybe we'll get some clues one day.

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