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OpenSolaris is dead

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Re: OpenSolaris is dead

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It won't be. Oracle will keep the CDDL, and use ZFS to market Solaris as a USP over Linux, until (and probably after) btrfs becomes mainstream on Linux.

The btfs developer works at Oracle (and also works on OCFS).

It is a bit hard for me to reconcile Oracle's contributions to Linux with their seemingly mercenary attitudes towards Solaris and Java.

Re: OpenSolaris is dead

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I thought it was interesting that Linux was completely absent from all of the market position talk.

I think everyone who read 'Solaris is the #1 Enterprise Operating System', raised an eyebrow, then read 'We have more than twice the application base of AIX and HP-UX combined' and chuckled.

I read that to say 'Solaris is the #1 (SysV-based) Enterprise Operating System'

Re: OpenSolaris is dead

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think everyone who read 'Solaris is the #1 Enterprise Operating System', raised an eyebrow, then read 'We have more than twice the application base of AIX and HP-UX combined' and chuckled.

I read that to say 'Solaris is the #1 (SysV-based) Enterprise Operating System'

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Re: OpenSolaris is dead

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The btfs developer works at Oracle (and also works on OCFS).

It is a bit hard for me to reconcile Oracle's contributions to Linux with their seemingly mercenary attitudes towards Solaris and Java.

It really isn't. They liked Linux because they could sell their database on white box hardware and not pay Microsoft (more money for Oracle less for a competitor). This move is designed to bring Solaris in line with their other enterprise software products. They have an OS and Server combination that can help them make more money.

Their Java move with Google is simple. IBM paid for Java, Google didn't. Oracle wants the cash.

Re: OpenSolaris is dead

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One thing you have to say for Oracle that you couldn't really automatically say for Sun: they're not chickenshit.

No, they definitely leave out the chicken part.

Because they don't want to spend/waste money maintaining certain features of a product that are less profitable? Or …?

Re: OpenSolaris is dead

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Being evil is also subjective. For Oracle stockholders and quarterly statements, acting out of self-interest is a good thing.

Most of Oracle's moves are short term plays. Growing the Java and Unix industries would allow them to sell boxes. These do the opposite, in favor of making cash now.

Sure. Individual investors might care, but Wall St. is incentivized to only care about quarterly profits.

Re: OpenSolaris is dead

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Everyone seems to have missed - or be ignoring - the fundamentals of Oracle. They aren't in this game to change the world (ala Sun), or improve the lives of developers, they're in this to make bucket loads of cash if products they acquire will not make them money - they will ruthlessly cut it.

They aren't hackers. They aren't designers. They aren't entrepreneurs. They're business men.

Similarly if you dare compete with Oracle, you're going up against a company similar to Microsoft 10 years ago: rich and mean. Look at someone like Google, you think they're evil? Oracle could literally wipe them off the planet if they were inclined. The fact people hate upon Apple or Google, or even Microsoft when Oracle is the towering nemesis is hilarious. At least Oracle doesn't bullshit you. Google? Do no evil? You're a public company.

Vision, for the greater good, wanting to change the world are all well and great, but when the chips are down, you know what counts? Revenues. As Larry Ellison once said about Sun: "Lots and lots of blogs does not replace lots and lots of sales"

and you know what? I admire them for that. I respect that they walk that line. They're a public company, and god dammit, they're going to win. I would rather spend a year working with Larry than Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or the Google guys.

Re: OpenSolaris is dead

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being evil is also subjective. For Oracle stockholders and quarterly statements, acting out of self-interest is a good thing.

Most of Oracle's moves are short term plays. Growing the Java and Unix industries would allow them to sell boxes. These do the opposite, in favor of making cash now.

"Growing the Java and Unix industries would allow them to sell boxes."

I am highly skeptical of this. I believe this was the stated strategy of many of Sun's decisions, and it did not work out well for them.

Re: OpenSolaris is dead

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Hi, I'm a beginner programmer. I'm interested in learning to program Java and MySQL on Solaris, where should I begin to learn this free and open platform?
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