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OpenSolaris is dead

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Re: OpenSolaris is dead

#4

Post by dpapathanasiou »

martinp wrote: post #2

Since the slogan "don't be evil" is already in use, I'm guessing Oracle is going for "be evil" instead?

Sometimes, I admire Oracle more than the supposed do-gooders at Google.

Oracle is a for-profit entity, they will take any legal or tactical advantage they can get (e.g., lawsuit over Java in Android), and they make no bones about it.

I don't like everything they do, but you know what you get with them.

Google says "don't be evil", yet they back off that principle when it's inconvenient (e.g., caving in to Chinese censorship demands, deal with Verizon over net neutrality, etc.).

Re: OpenSolaris is dead

#7

Post by bad_user »

dpapathanasiou wrote: post #4
martinp wrote: post #2

Since the slogan "don't be evil" is already in use, I'm guessing Oracle is going for "be evil" instead?

Sometimes, I admire Oracle more than the supposed do-gooders at Google. Oracle is a for-profit entity, they will take any legal or tactical advantage they can get (e.g., lawsuit over Java in Android), and they make no bones about it. I don't like everything they do, but you know what you get with them. Google says "don't be evil", yet they back off that principle when it's inconvenient (e.g., caving in to Chinese cen…

So I should take away from this post that Oracle has given you more than Google did?

Because that's what it sounds like to me. Personally I admire companies that are giving me value.

> yet they back off that principle when it's inconvenient

Regarding both net neutrality and Chinese censorship, Google did what nobody else did.

So I really don't get this line of reasoning.

Personally I take away from this that my company shouldn't give a crap about anything other than money, because all you're achievements don't mean squat in the end apparently.

Re: OpenSolaris is dead

#8

Post by mechanical_fish »

dpapathanasiou wrote: post #4
martinp wrote: post #2

Since the slogan "don't be evil" is already in use, I'm guessing Oracle is going for "be evil" instead?

Sometimes, I admire Oracle more than the supposed do-gooders at Google. Oracle is a for-profit entity, they will take any legal or tactical advantage they can get (e.g., lawsuit over Java in Android), and they make no bones about it. I don't like everything they do, but you know what you get with them. Google says "don't be evil", yet they back off that principle when it's inconvenient (e.g., caving in to Chinese cen…

I think what you're saying is "Google, Just Cut The BS And Give the Gordon Gekko Speech Already":

http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/13/google-net-neutrality/

I am not exactly a starry-eyed admirer of the Gordon Gekkos of the world, but I tend to agree. It would be refreshing if people stopped pretending that these inter-corporate battles had anything to do with either morality or the public good.

Re: OpenSolaris is dead

#9

Post by dpapathanasiou »

bad_user wrote: post #7
dpapathanasiou wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes, I admire Oracle more than the supposed do-gooders at Google. Oracle is a for-profit entity, they will take any legal or tactical advantage they can get (e.g., lawsuit over Java in Android), and they make no bones about it. I don't like everything they do, but you know what you get with them. Google says "don't be evil", yet they back off that principle when it's inconvenient (e.g., caving in to Chinese cen…

So I should take away from this post that Oracle has given you more than Google did? Because that's what it sounds like to me. Personally I admire companies that are giving me value. > yet they back off that principle when it's inconvenient Regarding both net neutrality and Chinese censorship, Google did what nobody else did. So I really don't get this line of reasoning. Personally I take away from this that my compa…

So I should take away from this post that Oracle has given you more than Google did?

Neither has given me anything that I didn't pay for, either directly or indirectly.

Regarding both net neutrality and Chinese censorship, Google did what nobody else did.

Which is what, exactly?

When push came to shove, they acted no differently than any other large corporation.

Personally I take away from this that my company shouldn't give a crap about anything other than money, because all you're [sic] achievements don't mean squat in the end apparently.

I don't understand your emotional attachment to Google.

mechanical_fish said it better than I could, so I'll just quote part of his reply here:

It would be refreshing if people stopped pretending that these inter-corporate battles had anything to do with either morality or the public good.

Re: OpenSolaris is dead

#10

Post by martinp »

dpapathanasiou wrote: post #4
martinp wrote: post #2

Since the slogan "don't be evil" is already in use, I'm guessing Oracle is going for "be evil" instead?

Sometimes, I admire Oracle more than the supposed do-gooders at Google. Oracle is a for-profit entity, they will take any legal or tactical advantage they can get (e.g., lawsuit over Java in Android), and they make no bones about it. I don't like everything they do, but you know what you get with them. Google says "don't be evil", yet they back off that principle when it's inconvenient (e.g., caving in to Chinese cen…

Google isn't always non-evil, but they're consistently less evil than all of the other large companies in technology.

Also, Oracle has never created anything really significant (in my opinion) other than their overpriced "enterprise" databases. Now it seems that they're hell bent on taking everything good that came out of Sun and destroying it.

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