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Re: Apple iPhone X Demand Limited, Wall Street Analysts Say

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Post by stcredzero » Wed, Dec 27, 2017, 6:08 PM UTC

user5994461 wrote: post #199

stcredzero wrote: post #179

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If you want to save something in a life threatening situation, that's a fairly reasonable choice. I wasn't talking about a life threatening situation. I was talking about a "life threatened by not being able to float well enough to breathe" situation combined with a "life threatened by not getting out of a sinking thing fast enough" situation. Also if you think it's a reasonable choice, and the next person thinks it'…

I was merely illustrating that gold has high value and high density. The hypothetical "1kg gold bar" would be the size of a highlighter more or less. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highlighter

Bothering to retrieve something so dense and heavy during a chaotic situation where being buoyant enough is a life or death issue -- it's worth a lot of money, but is it worth your life? If you're a very confident, strong swimmer, then maybe that's a rational choice. If you're certain that there's going to be rescue in just a few minutes, then maybe that's a rational choice. If the time and effort it takes to retrieve the thing isn't going to cost you your life by losing you a place dry and out of freezing water, then maybe that's a rational choice. What if all of those above knobs are cranked over to the most unfavorable position?

This is precisely my point: The value of something is highly contextual. The context might well be different for each individual at different times.

Re: Apple iPhone X Demand Limited, Wall Street Analysts Say

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Post by user5994461 » Wed, Dec 27, 2017, 7:46 PM UTC

hrktb wrote: post #215

user5994461 wrote: post #190

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The number of pixels has zero relevance to the quality of a photo. The world is filled with cheap phones that will make a blurry picture if there isn't perfect lighting or if you move by a single millimeter when you press the button.

Of course. I found it interesting that scanning a document is the exact best case scenario: exposure can be adjusted with the flash, and the document hopefully doesn’t move (I had the previous Motorola G, hand shaking would need to be pretty bad to make it blur when using the flash)

On the contrary I take it as an example of bad case scenario. Texts and annotations can be very small, a tad of blurriness and it's unreadable. The blurriness might not be apparent on the phone screen but it's very noticeable on a computer or TV.

I speak from experience with a cheap phone, having to take 6 photos not moving by a iota hoping one will be good enough. Same shit next month when I will have to take a newer proof of address.

Re: Apple iPhone X Demand Limited, Wall Street Analysts Say

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Post by mcphage » Wed, Dec 27, 2017, 9:30 PM UTC

chewz wrote: post #103

mcphage wrote: post #82

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If you're anything like me, losing out on iMessages will be painful. I'm itching to get back to iOS. Also being able to access all of the apps that I've purchased on my phone again will be a very nice plus.

I haven't been using iMessage for 2 years. And now I have unlimited SMS in most plans or taught my friends to use Allo.

Well, then you're not the same as me :-)

Re: Apple iPhone X Demand Limited, Wall Street Analysts Say

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Post by CRConrad » Wed, Dec 27, 2017, 11:33 PM UTC

logicallee wrote: post #182

HugoDaniel wrote: post #180

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quite the pedantic answer. lets interpret "within 5 years" as Now pick an IPhone 4 and good luck with installing/updating anything in ios 7.

The millions of people using iPhone 4's and the price of same on used market show they're far from "unusable." For a non-durable consumer good, the difference between 5 and 8 years (i.e. 1.6x useable lifetime) is hardly "pedantic". Would you say there isn't much difference between a 15 and 24 year mortgage in terms of length of commitment? A phone might be the second largest personal investment many lower-income peop…

No, in the context of real luxury goods, that's still not significant: Compared to a thirty-year-old purse, a seventy-year-old watch, or a three-hundred-year-old piece of jewellery, there is no difference between a five- or an eight-year lifespan of a phone: They're both "flimsy shit; here today, gone tomorrow" in that perspective.

Also, a phone will hardly ever be _the_ "second largest personal investment many lower-income people make in any object" -- given how ephemeral the phone's service life is, if those people live past thirty or so, it'll have to be one of several successive such investments. Which is precisely the point: If phones weren't such flimsy pieces of crap, it might be. (Oops, sorry, seems I'm full-on channelling Pirsig here...)

But no, BTW, actually I don't see all that much of a difference between a 15-yr mortgage and a 24-yr one. If you get to live your Biblically allotted three-score-and-ten (or more), then they're both "a substantial chunk" of your life. Depending on how a lot of other shit goes -- do you win the lottery, get cancer, have one kid or six...? -- one could be better, or the other. The difference in runtime isn't all that significant.

Same thing, only in reverse, with your phone lifetimes: Five years isn't all that different from eight, in that both are rather equally IN-significant chunks of your life.

Re: Apple iPhone X Demand Limited, Wall Street Analysts Say

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Post by CRConrad » Wed, Dec 27, 2017, 11:39 PM UTC

rahimnathwani wrote: post #217

Certhas wrote: post #212

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Sure, so you pay for having locked yourself into a particular ecosystem. Even then, the relative utility of an X over an 8 is not utility.

An iPhone X doesn't provide a better user experience to my hypothetical user than an iPhone 8?

Nope. For some reason a myth of the iPhone's superiority persists -- perhaps mainly among iPhone owners? -- but according to most reputable reviews I've read over the years (and a few people I know who have owned both), that hasn't been true any more for about half a decade now.

Re: Apple iPhone X Demand Limited, Wall Street Analysts Say

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Post by WWLink » Thu, Dec 28, 2017, 3:34 AM UTC

hrktb wrote: post #183

user5994461 wrote: post #170

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>>> it doesn’t provide 4x the utility of a $250 phone That is not correct. Try taking a photo of a text document with a $250 phone, the text is not readable because the camera and the software is terrible. A better phone would allow you to not have a dedicated scanner.

Motorola G Plus[0] is 184$ with a 12Mp back camera. You won’t catch a cat jumping in pixel perfect beauty, but that’s plenty enough to scan a text document. Same for your mail, maps, browsing, messaging, light gaming. It won’t be blazingly fast under the latest OS, but will do any important task with decent performance. [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01N6NTIRH/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=...

I got a G5 plus for my brother earlier this year, and after using it a little bit i felt kinda ripped off with my iphone 7+.. all that money and the motorola does everything just fine!