If at least ZFS can be salvaged from the wreck...
OpenSolaris is dead
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#12Since the slogan "don't be evil" is already in use, I'm guessing Oracle is going for "be evil" instead?
Sometimes, I admire Oracle more than the supposed do-gooders at Google. Oracle is a for-profit entity, they will take any legal or tactical advantage they can get (e.g., lawsuit over Java in Android), and they make no bones about it. I don't like everything they do, but you know what you get with them. Google says "don't be evil", yet they back off that principle when it's inconvenient (e.g., caving in to Chinese cen…
The problem with "Don't be evil" is that it's subjective. Google isn't a hardcore idealist because people that refuse to cooperate unless all of their demands are met never really get anywhere (see RMS). Compromise is a fact of life for everyone. Principles shouldn't be compromised, and you have to draw the line, but you also have to cooperate with people who have a different perspective than yourself.
I don't see either censorship in China or the net neutrality proposal (which I don't know much about) as bonafide "evil". You may disagree, but it's hard to say that they are evil or done with evil intent.
Oracle, on the other hand, is pretty easy to call evil because they act out of cruel self-interest practically exclusively. Oracle is always taking cheap shots.
Re: OpenSolaris is dead
#13OpenSolaris was dead long ago, this only opened the eyes to the people optimistic that things will change and there will be a future OpenSolaris release.
"We will determine a simple, cost-effective means of getting enterprise users of prior OpenSolaris binary releases to migrate to S11 Express." -- Says enough.
"We will continue to grow a vibrant developer and system administrator community for Solaris." -- I really wonder how.
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#14Having never used OpenSolaris this is no hardship for me. However, it's looking like Oracle is a company that is quite hostile to open source, so this also raises concerns for what will happen to the likes of OpenOffice and VirtualBox. In general it also raises questions about the wisdom of open source developers assigning their copyrights over to a particular company, who may subsequently choose to betray their generosity. If I'd made significant contributions to OpenSolaris I'd probably be feeling as sick as a parrot right now.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
So I should take away from this post that Oracle has given you more than Google did? Because that's what it sounds like to me. Personally I admire companies that are giving me value. > yet they back off that principle when it's inconvenient Regarding both net neutrality and Chinese censorship, Google did what nobody else did. So I really don't get this line of reasoning. Personally I take away from this that my compa…
So I should take away from this post that Oracle has given you more than Google did? Neither has given me anything that I didn't pay for, either directly or indirectly. Regarding both net neutrality and Chinese censorship, Google did what nobody else did. Which is what, exactly? When push came to shove, they acted no differently than any other large corporation. Personally I take away from this that my company should…
Neither has given me anything that I didn't pay for, either directly or indirectly.
That's not strictly true. I would argue that Google provides a greater amount of consumer surplus than Oracle. Consumer surplus pretty much amounts to value you obtain from a product or service that the producer can't capture in the price.
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#16If at least ZFS can be salvaged from the wreck...
Why is that? Isn't ZFS part of Solaris? Or at least has the same licensing restriction as OpenSolaris?
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#17I thought it was interesting that Linux was completely absent from all of the market position talk.
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#18Since the slogan "don't be evil" is already in use, I'm guessing Oracle is going for "be evil" instead?
Sometimes, I admire Oracle more than the supposed do-gooders at Google. Oracle is a for-profit entity, they will take any legal or tactical advantage they can get (e.g., lawsuit over Java in Android), and they make no bones about it. I don't like everything they do, but you know what you get with them. Google says "don't be evil", yet they back off that principle when it's inconvenient (e.g., caving in to Chinese cen…
Lack of shame is not a valid defence for evil. We all have a responsibility to be good citizens.
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#20I thought it was interesting that Linux was completely absent from all of the market position talk.
I think everyone who read 'Solaris is the #1 Enterprise Operating System', raised an eyebrow, then read 'We have more than twice the application base of AIX and HP-UX combined' and chuckled.