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Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

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Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

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Why are startups afraid? Shouldn't the biggest internet/cloud companies be worried first? They are going to be taxed most (esp. Netflix). Or maybe I'm missing something in the big picture?

Netflix potentially has something to gain, because they'll likely strike a deal with the ISPs to put content physically/technically closer to consumers (which means better quality at quicker rates).

Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or fixing an already solved problem. Using a VPN addresses basically everything they are trying to fix.

ISPs can trivially prioritize content from preferred providers while throttling all other traffic, including VPN traffic. VPNs do not solve this problem.

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Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

#43

Why are startups afraid? Shouldn't the biggest internet/cloud companies be worried first? They are going to be taxed most (esp. Netflix). Or maybe I'm missing something in the big picture?

I agree, expect a shakedown of the biggest players In fact, I would be very happy if they were overcharged for it (especially Facebook) it would push them for NN

Which means you can predict that they will only be pushed far enough that it's cheaper to pay than to lobby for net neutrality.

Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

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post #37

Startups existed just fine before 2015 (when the repealed regulation was passed.) So why this now? I loathe Comcast & AT&T as much as any other person, but it seems like this issue has been sensationalized/editorialized so that any sensible commentary is drowned out. Edit: Well, this is an unpopular opinion (-2 points currently).

This is a common argument with a major flaw. The reason NN was put in place is because Verizon tried to do what the companies want to do today. It's like saying the stock market was fine before the SEC banned insider trading. Yes, it was fine until some people started doing things that affect a large number of people in a negative or un fair way.

Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, expect a shakedown of the biggest players In fact, I would be very happy if they were overcharged for it (especially Facebook) it would push them for NN

Which means you can predict that they will only be pushed far enough that it's cheaper to pay than to lobby for net neutrality.

If the telco companies had slightly longer-term vision I agree, but I'm skeptical of them not shooting themselves in the foot

Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

#49
post #37

Startups existed just fine before 2015 (when the repealed regulation was passed.) So why this now? I loathe Comcast & AT&T as much as any other person, but it seems like this issue has been sensationalized/editorialized so that any sensible commentary is drowned out. Edit: Well, this is an unpopular opinion (-2 points currently).

Stop spreading disinformation, the regulations from 2015 and reclassification is just legislative juggling. Net neutrality was an issue from way before that (1). See numerous violations (2) and try to assert what changes does a startup have if they are in direct competition with a service which the ISP offers along with internet.

(1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_S...

(2) https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/04/25/net-neutrality-vio...

People don't downvote you because they don't agree with your 'opinion', it's just that you're wrong. What you wrote is not an opinion, it's just disinformation.

Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

#50
post #31

VPNs for everyone?

I keep seeing people recommending VPNs to fight Net Neutrality, but I don't think that will help. Let's say that they want to slow down sites like TPB and Vodo while making Netflix faster. Instead of "making everything normal and making TPB slow", which would be a bad for marketing and would be avoided by VPNs, they'll make "everything normal and Netflix fast", which sounds much better in marketing and you can't avoi…

Note that this is exactly what's already happening with services like T-Mobile's "Binge On," AT&T's "Stream Saver," etc. You pay for some amount of data, and certain providers like Netflix don't count against that data allotment (and maybe their videos are compressed, or precached near cell towers, or something).

The FCC was inquiring into these programs until Ajit Pai's appointment as chairman: https://www.geekwire.com/2017/fcc-ends-inquiries-t-mobiles-b...

And the EFF has criticized these programs as a violation of net neutrality: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/01/eff-confirms-t-mobiles...

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