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Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

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Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

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VPNs for everyone?

Yep. Beat me to making the comment. This is already a solved problem. A VPN solves this problem quite well. Only exception I see is overall bandwidth usage. They'll obviously still see the total amount of traffic going across their lines and may throttle that, but that would apply to everyone equally, which I don't have an issue with. Since they won't be able to see the traffic due to encryption, they can't inhibit/b…

What if the ISPs block VPN?

Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

#22

VPNs for everyone?

Yep. Beat me to making the comment. This is already a solved problem. A VPN solves this problem quite well. Only exception I see is overall bandwidth usage. They'll obviously still see the total amount of traffic going across their lines and may throttle that, but that would apply to everyone equally, which I don't have an issue with. Since they won't be able to see the traffic due to encryption, they can't inhibit/b…

Can't they (the ISPs) just block or charge extra for VPN traffic? I've read that China detects and blocks VPN traffic.

Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

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Isn't the solution just more ISP competition?

That's easy to say, but there's the well-known last mine problem. How many separate companies will be willing to run cabling to your home just to compete bitterly with an incumbent? And even if that may happen in your neighborhood, will it happen nationwide? What about rural areas where you're lucky to have one fast ISP?

In other countries there are laws which force the cable owner to rent the last mile to any ISP.

Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some "innovation" is a waste of resources. Specifically, the innovation required to work around broken policy.

Or fixing an already solved problem. Using a VPN addresses basically everything they are trying to fix.

ISPs can trivially prioritize content from preferred providers while throttling all other traffic, including VPN traffic.

VPNs do not solve this problem.

Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

#26

So looks like they were right when they said it would encourage innovation. Go figure.

It seems more like breakng a window just to call fixing it 'inonvation' to me [1]

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Beat me to making the comment. This is already a solved problem. A VPN solves this problem quite well. Only exception I see is overall bandwidth usage. They'll obviously still see the total amount of traffic going across their lines and may throttle that, but that would apply to everyone equally, which I don't have an issue with. Since they won't be able to see the traffic due to encryption, they can't inhibit/b…

What if the ISPs block VPN?

It's possible, but tricky, since a lot of companies use VPNs and the US is a corporate welfare state ruled by Big Cos Inc.

Perhaps they will try and charge a VPN or encrypted data surcharge.

Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

#29

VPNs for everyone?

Yep. Beat me to making the comment. This is already a solved problem. A VPN solves this problem quite well. Only exception I see is overall bandwidth usage. They'll obviously still see the total amount of traffic going across their lines and may throttle that, but that would apply to everyone equally, which I don't have an issue with. Since they won't be able to see the traffic due to encryption, they can't inhibit/b…

VPNs can solve the problem only temporarily.

But what will happen is that ISPs will stop upgrading their "regular" networks, and upgrade only the "fast lanes" networks.

VPN providers will either be outright denied access to those fast lanes or they won't be able to afford using them. So in a few years, whether you're using a VPN or not, you'll still be in the "regular" (read: slow) lane, while the big companies will likely have to move to the "fast lane" (and pay the ISPs for the privilege).

The more time passes, the worse this will get for small companies, as the needs for data consumption and bandwidth increase, so eventually internet users will slowly move to the fast-lane-using services and dump the others.

Also, the more money the ISPs will make from the "fast lanes" the less incentive they'll have to upgrade their regular slow lanes (unless fierce competition appears, which may not), because it just means companies will have bigger "incentive" to pay them for the fast lane access.

Re: Startups Seek Tech Solution to Net Neutrality Repeal

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Beat me to making the comment. This is already a solved problem. A VPN solves this problem quite well. Only exception I see is overall bandwidth usage. They'll obviously still see the total amount of traffic going across their lines and may throttle that, but that would apply to everyone equally, which I don't have an issue with. Since they won't be able to see the traffic due to encryption, they can't inhibit/b…

Can't they (the ISPs) just block or charge extra for VPN traffic? I've read that China detects and blocks VPN traffic.

Correct, and this also sidesteps the issue of VPNs falling under legislative scrutiny in the future.
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