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Airbus ready to axe A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

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Re: Airbus ready to axe A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

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Post by louithethrid »

froindt wrote: post #62
pmcollins wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing's market analysis said that the market could barely support one super-jumbo, let alone two, so they opted for the much cheaper 747 upgrade and we got the 747-8 (which is also headed for extinction). I heard an analyst say that you have to carry a lot of fuel to carry a lot of fuel. The optimal size from an efficiency perspective is the much smaller 737 -- the more you deviate from that, the larger the efficien…

>I heard an analyst say that you have to carry a lot of fuel to carry a lot of fuel. Yep! Aerospace has been on the leading edge of manufacturing methods for many years because of it. Even worse is having a heavy airplane at the start of the flight (the weight is always there). In school we were talking about manufacturing aerospace parts, and the joke is that you always take a nice chunk of aluminum and machine away…

Never understoood why they would not use the fuel as stability element- basically- the elments carrying the fuelweight, are made from a carbonsponge that holds frozzen fuel..

Re: Airbus ready to axe A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

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Yizahi wrote: post #90

I may be dumb but I don't understand the numbers in the article. They write Airbus has "96 unfilled orders" then say that "47 of those are unlikely to be delivered". So they won't be ordered or won't be delivered? If it's the latter then won't it be breach of contract on Airbus side and just kinda plain stupid? And if it's the former that doesn't it contradict previous number of 96 units ordered? Next they say "deliv…

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Re: Airbus ready to axe A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

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Post by louithethrid »

valuearb wrote: post #70
dghughes wrote: post #65

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Boeing plays a lot of games like getting 40% of its revenue from the US government but crying unfair when other countries get any subsidies at all. Look at the nearly 300% duty it demanded added on to the parts made by their competitor Canadian aircraft manufacturer Bombardier.

This is a lie. Bombardiers planes don’t compete with any Boeing planes. Yet still Boeing flexed their lobbyists.

Lobbyism is what saved the american car industry.

Re: Airbus ready to axe A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

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Post by monocasa »

1_2__4 wrote: post #83
mpweiher wrote: post #71

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> It has been obscenely profitable over its lifetime Exactly. And these obscene profits in a line where it had no competition were a problem for Airbus. A problem that has now disappeared. > The A380 first flew in 2005 [2]. It has been a commercial disaster. (a) It helped kill the "obscenely profitable" 747. (b) It was a hedge in case airlines were going to stick with the hub-and-spoke model (c) Slot constraints may…

Um, the 787 is what kiled the 747. As in Boeing decided, as all companies do, to retire a line in favor of a more modern one. It’s really weird you don’t acknowledge that at all.

The 787 is a little more than half the capacity of a 747.

Re: Airbus ready to axe A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

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Post by undersuit »

valuearb wrote: post #70
dghughes wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boeing plays a lot of games like getting 40% of its revenue from the US government but crying unfair when other countries get any subsidies at all. Look at the nearly 300% duty it demanded added on to the parts made by their competitor Canadian aircraft manufacturer Bombardier.

This is a lie. Bombardiers planes don’t compete with any Boeing planes. Yet still Boeing flexed their lobbyists.

Delta chose to go with Bombardier planes in this case[1] which directly affected Boeing's ability to sell them their equivalents. That sounds like competition.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSeries_dumping_petition_by_Bo...

Re: Airbus ready to axe A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

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Post by gsnedders »

namdnay wrote: post #41
TremendousJudge wrote: post #31

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The business seats on a plane make more money than the economy seats. However, there aren't lines where you can fill a whole plane of business: economy is there mostly to fill up space

There are some, but they're very rare. One example is the BA shuttle between London City and New York - only business. I believe there is a French airline doing a "cheap business" Paris-New York as well.

> One example is the BA shuttle between London City and New York - only business. I believe there is a French airline doing a "cheap business" Paris-New York as well.

Both are done by BA, and both are stopping.

Re: Airbus ready to axe A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

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Post by ComputerGuru »

Robotbeat wrote: post #85

777x is probably the future of this segment. Larger planes simply cannot scale because they already have to have short wings to fit in airports. Folding wings (like the 777x) can address this. Longer, higher aspect ratio wings are one powerful way to continue the march to higher efficiency. Eventually, I think this will allow electrification of most air travel. And I do think that supersonic air travel will make a st…

> We're also becoming richer as a species.

I don’t understand this. Isn’t richness/poorness relative to something else in the same pool? What other species are you comparing us to? Because it’s a zero sum game otherwise; a pie chart where percentages count but can be scaled up or down without effect.

Re: Airbus ready to axe A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

monocasa wrote: post #94
1_2__4 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um, the 787 is what kiled the 747. As in Boeing decided, as all companies do, to retire a line in favor of a more modern one. It’s really weird you don’t acknowledge that at all.

The 787 is a little more than half the capacity of a 747.

The general point being nobody wants a passenger plane with the A380 or 747's capacity anymore. Small, efficient, long-distance planes like the 787, A350 and C-Series are rendering the larger format obsolete.

Re: Airbus ready to axe A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

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Post by masklinn »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #75
jmnicolas wrote: post #56

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The A380 is used as a military plane ?

It’s the commercial product of Airbus, an EU defense contractor. http://www.airbus.com/defence.html

Both Boeing and Airbus have defence contracting arms, that doesn't mean all of their platforms have defence purposes.

AFAIK there is no military variant of the A380, Airbus's current civilian platforms with military variants are the A310[0] and A330[1] and their own derivatives (KC-45 which derives from the A330 MRTT).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A310_MRTT

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A330_MRTT

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