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DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

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Before I'm willing to condemn this I'd want to know a lot more about how it was actually used. Was it used as a weapon or simply as an available bullhorn or announcement/PA system? I don't recall any press at the time about serious crowd control problems or the "weapon" use of LRADs, and a quick bit of searching now also doesn't show anything like that. Even the article notes "military grade versions that can send vo…

You can watch this video as an example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSMyY3_dmrM

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trump coined the term "fake news" Trump did not, in fact, coin the term “fake news”.

Didn't it mean satire, like the Daily Show and the Onion, before?

Fake news is a term invented by the Nazis during the 30s to describe media they disagreed with.

In German, Lügenpresse (lying press, literally) has the same origin and use (including the same resurgence through use by the alt-right)

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

#114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the key is the u.s. is a representative democracy, not a direct democracy (only in certain elections). the strategy is to support representatives whose opinions you trust and speak persuasively to people to bring them on your side. To do this effectively, you must listen to them and understand their concerns. there is no quick-fix. you must perform this work at a slow and steady pace your entire life, never feeling c…

When you're given a choice of two candidates and neither of them represent your interests, and this happens time after time, I think it's fair to question the efficacy of the tack you're proposing.

In this situation, another person has to put themselves forward as a candidate. The failure of the society is when nobody else does.

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

#115

Before I'm willing to condemn this I'd want to know a lot more about how it was actually used. Was it used as a weapon or simply as an available bullhorn or announcement/PA system? I don't recall any press at the time about serious crowd control problems or the "weapon" use of LRADs, and a quick bit of searching now also doesn't show anything like that. Even the article notes "military grade versions that can send vo…

You can watch this video as an example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSMyY3_dmrM

That video shows it being used as a crowd dispersal tool at a much more confrontational protest (G20, in 2009) along with a bunch of police in body armor. Do you have any video showing the same kind of thing at the "pink pussy hat" Women's March in DC in 2017?

I understand that a LRAD can be used as a weapon, but was it or is the headline and article over the top?

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't it mean satire, like the Daily Show and the Onion, before?

Fake news is a term invented by the Nazis during the 30s to describe media they disagreed with. In German, Lügenpresse (lying press, literally) has the same origin and use (including the same resurgence through use by the alt-right)

A term can't be "invented" if it was in another language. Coining a term literally only has relevance in the language it's coined. The concept of an untrustworthy press is much older besides.

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

#117

There are legitimate (IMHO) uses for these. For example, a crowd panics and people start getting trampled. An LRAD can be used to communicate directions quickly at long range to help stop the panic. The report sounds like the police were doing what they should be doing. Have the organizers of that March complained about police actions or disputed the report? If not, then I would tend to believe the report. If correct…

You're making the same mistake that everyone in this thread is afraid the cops are also making.

A sound cannon is not a loudspeaker, it's a weapon. If you want a loudspeaker, get a loudspeaker.

This thing is designed to inflict actual, serious, permanent damage to people mechanically, from a large standoff distance.

It's used to paralize combatants approaching a convoy. It shouldn't be used against crowds at home.

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't it mean satire, like the Daily Show and the Onion, before?

Fake news is a term invented by the Nazis during the 30s to describe media they disagreed with. In German, Lügenpresse (lying press, literally) has the same origin and use (including the same resurgence through use by the alt-right)

There is no alt right in Germany. We are dealing with a surge in far right activism, but those people are just that: Right wing extremists. It’s not a new phenomenon, it never went away completely.

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fake news is a term invented by the Nazis during the 30s to describe media they disagreed with. In German, Lügenpresse (lying press, literally) has the same origin and use (including the same resurgence through use by the alt-right)

There is no alt right in Germany. We are dealing with a surge in far right activism, but those people are just that: Right wing extremists. It’s not a new phenomenon, it never went away completely.

The AfD is literally the alt-right.

Same ideology (which is distinct from the NPD), same marketing, same reasons for resurgence, and even similar sources of funding.

Re: DC police used sonic cannon to direct crowd flow during Women's March

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fake news is a term invented by the Nazis during the 30s to describe media they disagreed with. In German, Lügenpresse (lying press, literally) has the same origin and use (including the same resurgence through use by the alt-right)

A term can't be "invented" if it was in another language. Coining a term literally only has relevance in the language it's coined. The concept of an untrustworthy press is much older besides.

It wasn't exactly in a different language — the Nazis did also produce propaganda in english (which literally used the term fake news), and during 2016, both translations of the term came into use by supporters of the Trump campaign, from which it grew.
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