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Apple iPhone X Demand Limited, Wall Street Analysts Say

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Re: Apple iPhone X Demand Limited, Wall Street Analysts Say

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Post by abawany »

yladiz wrote: post #24
Yetanfou wrote: post #19

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Sure you can. You'll need to uninstall Google Play Services as well but it is definitely possible to run Android without the Google-specific bits. It's is the first thing I do when setting up a new Android-device.

Out of curiosity, how difficult is this to do? Would the average user be able to do this easily?

If the phone can get LineageOS, then it is fairly easy - just don't install GApps when flashing LineageOS to the phone. Alas, phones that are thus open are getting rarer and rarer :( .

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Post by wmil »

olegkikin wrote: post #8

What do people buy $1000 smartphones for? For gaming I can get a pretty good gaming PC for that amount, or Xbox One X with a VR headset. I've never seen anybody do anything really cool with their phone - everyone browses the internet, checks the email, does chats/videochats, maps, take photos, and some silly mobile gaming. I do that all on my sub $200 phone.

GearVR is really good for watching movies on flights.

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Post by logicallee »

user5994461 wrote: post #188
logicallee wrote: post #182

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The millions of people using iPhone 4's and the price of same on used market show they're far from "unusable." For a non-durable consumer good, the difference between 5 and 8 years (i.e. 1.6x useable lifetime) is hardly "pedantic". Would you say there isn't much difference between a 15 and 24 year mortgage in terms of length of commitment? A phone might be the second largest personal investment many lower-income peop…

They are unusable or will be very soon. Old applications refuse to start, the vendor blocks the old version or retired the remote API. New applications don't support older phones, they can't be installed. Batteries die. Screens are broken. Spare parts stop being available after a while. A phone has a life expectancy around 5 years, top.

I don't dispute anything you've said. We'e just going to have to different definitions of 'unusable, no matter what'.

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Post by brahj123 »

vinceguidry wrote: post #91
briandear wrote: post #75

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I work out of my house. I rarely go out in public (perhaps once a week to the store,) and I couldn’t possibly care less if people see my phone. I see my phone hours a day. I take a lot of photos, read a lot of ebooks and do a ton of stuff on my phone. My X purchase has zero to do with “status symbol.” It’s a childish and ridiculous assertion that “status symbol” is a primary motivator for a phone. A car on the other…

And I honestly don't see what's wrong with wanting the status part of it either. When I started web contracting 5 years ago, the first thing I bought with my money was a MacBook Pro to replace my ancient ThinkPad T40. Makes client meetings go that much smoother when you're using the same thing as everyone else. Geeks always seem to want to erase the human factor out of everything.

> Geeks always seem to want to erase the human factor out of everything.

it's likely that they have to rationalize their inability to understand/connect with "regular" people by feeling superior about not caring about "status symbols" or the like.

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Post by [deleted] »

GVIrish wrote: post #15
chewz wrote: post #2

iPhones are technological marvels, masterpieces of engineering. But Apple software is getting worse and worse. I have recently started playing with my Mom’s phone which is some cheap Huawei Android and surprise - I can do the same on this phone as on iPhone - Google Maps, Google Photos, Google Inbox, Google Search, Google Allo, Google Drive, Firefox, bank applications, Spotify, MS Outlook - everything works OK. The f…

I have been using Nexus phones for about the last 5 years now, and I would say that a iPhone is clearly a better piece of hardware than a $100-200 Android phone. But for the top tier Android phones I'd agree that the reasons for paying the Apple premium are dwindling. Looking at something like the Essential phone that's retailing for $500, I think the many users would be hard-pressed to find an extra $500 of value ou…

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Post by brahj123 »

alyxmxe wrote: post #56
jsjohnst wrote: post #27

I wonder if these analysts actually get out in the world or just sit in cubicles closed off from the real world. Traveling this holiday season, I saw the characteristic notch all over the place. Rural areas of flyover country included, saw them everywhere. In the month prior while in NYC, I saw them being used by folks of virtually every division of socio-economic background. I’ve not traveled internationally yet sin…

I've been in NYC, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore, SF, Los Angeles over the past few months. Haven't seen a single iPhone X yet.

If you haven't seen one in nyc, then you're either blind or don't know what the iPhone X looks like.

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Post by mc32 »

Joeri wrote: post #87

The iphone X is very overpriced when viewed as a utility object, because it doesn’t provide 4x the utility of a $250 phone. But it is very reasonable when viewed as a fashion accessory. A $1000 phone to go inside a $2000 purse is not crazy at all. People keep looking at apple as a tech company and struggling to understand them, but if you view them as a luxury/fashion company who happens to specialize in technology t…

There was a luxury Nokia studded with gems -Vertu. I don't think it did all that well. So it's not only about fashion. There has to be something else which creates desire and demand.

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Post by kalleboo »

nugi wrote: post #115
at-fates-hands wrote: post #38

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> Additionally, phone market is reaching maturity slowly. First few generations had real changes in terms of hardware and capability. Sure, there are new capabilities but none of them are in the category of "Must Have". I've been saying this for years. I'm starting to see family and friends holding onto their phones for two, sometimes three years now. The prime movers to upgrade are slowly disappearing like you said.

Yup. I have been elegibe for an upgrade for 3 years, yet no current phone matches the featureset I have currently. - Removable battery (huge deal, i carry 2 spares, often away from chargers for days) - headphone jack (bt quality sucks, a lot, also battery and security issues keeping it on) - Physical function buttons - Waterproof/resistant, semi rugged. (Can I use it ouside in weather? Useless if not.) - Decent camer…

> - Removable battery (huge deal, i carry 2 spares, often away from chargers for days)

I thought losing the removable battery would be a huge deal when I switched to the iPhone, but in practice, switching to using USB powerbanks was actually an improvement. Don't have to reboot when you swap out, and you can charge it at the same time as your phone without carrying an extra special charger. And you can get them in massive capacities, and share them with friends who are caught out.

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Post by jrs95 »

user5994461 wrote: post #172
jrs95 wrote: post #145

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It doesn't necessarily need to be a fashion accessory to justify that price. You're not just getting aesthetics for the money, you're getting performance, battery life, display quality, etc. I'm using my phone a lot on a daily basis, so it's worth paying a bit more to get the best available. There's nothing functionally different about a $2000 purse. Besides, comparing iPhones to purses is basically the same sort of…

A purse can last a lifetime, if not lost or stolen. An iPhone will be unusable within 5 years no matter what.

And a paperweight will last hundreds if not thousands of years!

This isn’t really relevant. An iPhone is a computer. It does a lot of things, and the technology is improving rapidly. A purse is basically just a type of bag. They don’t store more and more stuff every year.

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Post by JohnTHaller »

The couple folks I know of who got the iPhone X were really keen on animojis, so Apple artificially limiting animojis to the X seems to be driving a few sales. There's no technical reason you can't do them on a regular old iPhone 8 since they only use the regular camera. It's purely a marketing limitation.
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