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Cryptocurrency Analysis with Python – Buy and Hold

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Re: Cryptocurrency Analysis with Python – Buy and Hold

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Not to be rude but I stopped reading at "MACD". TA is not the go-to strategy in stock trading for a reason. Indicators like MACD, RSI, Bollinger Bands etc re-paint a lot. So the perfect signals everyone sees on the charts are, for the most part, are just "profitable system" mirage.

What is an example of a "go-to strategy in stock trading"?

1. Buy undervalued groups of stocks 2. Hold on to them for a few decades 3. Profit.

Re: Cryptocurrency Analysis with Python – Buy and Hold

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I've told people to buy at $3,800, $5,900, and $14,000 and got shouted down each time. All of these were after major crashes, so of course the price was about to bounce back. Even if you know when the music hasn't stopped yet, it's very hard to get anyone to listen.

Oh boy... I told my dad to buy at $8, $27, $200, $2000, $3000, $6000, and $12000. None of these times has he actually taken any action. :( If only I turned 18 a couple years earlier...

Your dad is a wise man!

Re: Cryptocurrency Analysis with Python – Buy and Hold

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Not to be rude but I stopped reading at "MACD". TA is not the go-to strategy in stock trading for a reason. Indicators like MACD, RSI, Bollinger Bands etc re-paint a lot. So the perfect signals everyone sees on the charts are, for the most part, are just "profitable system" mirage.

Thanks. The conclusions may be obvious to experts in algo trading (and I heard similar things about the problems of TA for stock trading prior to doing this), but it was educational for me to go through the exercise because (1) it confirmed to me that the crypto markets behave similar to other markets, and (2) it helped me understand exactly where and how a technical indicator like MACD falls short for making trade d…

It isn't clear to me why technical indicators aren't viable.

Re: Cryptocurrency Analysis with Python – Buy and Hold

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post #42
post #32

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Oh boy... I told my dad to buy at $8, $27, $200, $2000, $3000, $6000, and $12000. None of these times has he actually taken any action. :( If only I turned 18 a couple years earlier...

Your dad is a wise man!

On the other hand, if he had put in $8 at $8, he'd have $16,000 today.

Re: Cryptocurrency Analysis with Python – Buy and Hold

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It's not irrational. It's an asset whose price is rising. If you want to make money, it's a good asset to trade. Just avoid hodling the bag when the music stops...

> Just avoid hodling the bag when the music stops... and how do you know exactly when the music has stopped?

It crashes during scandals like Mt Gox, and the big crash will come when a major nation-state decides to crack down on it.

Full disclosure: I don't own any Bitcoin, but I own other cryptocurrencies.

Re: Cryptocurrency Analysis with Python – Buy and Hold

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Unless you can include the complete irrationality of the users fueling the crypto bubble to get rich into the statistical model, any statistical analysis of those prices will be misleading. Traditional historical trend analyses of stock prices assume the market is somewhat rational. (but not 100% efficient, which is where money can be made)

Are you sure it's complete?

Re: Cryptocurrency Analysis with Python – Buy and Hold

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Your dad is a wise man!

On the other hand, if he had put in $8 at $8, he'd have $16,000 today.

Buying at $8 would be easy. Not selling at $200 would be hard. Not selling at $2000 would be even harder.

Re: Cryptocurrency Analysis with Python – Buy and Hold

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It's not irrational. It's an asset whose price is rising. If you want to make money, it's a good asset to trade. Just avoid hodling the bag when the music stops...

> Just avoid hodling the bag when the music stops... and how do you know exactly when the music has stopped?

Good question. Many thought the music had stopped in 2014, when the price crashed from $1200 to less than $200. (Previously in 2011-2012 it crashed from $35 to less than $2, which was pre-ASICs, so you really couldn't mine at a profit)

Re: Cryptocurrency Analysis with Python – Buy and Hold

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Depending on the automated strategy, they can dramatically reduce risk though. That has value well beyond the simple return of buy and hold, where if you don't time the sell perfectly, it's all useless. I think that's the big advantage automated trading strategies can have if designed well.

Reduce risk but also involve more time and energy.

Not really for an automatic trading algorithm. Write once, use for quite a while. Say a week of work (40 hours) for returns say 1/10th of holding is still quite worth it. Both of those numbers are quite conservative.

Re: Cryptocurrency Analysis with Python – Buy and Hold

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I ran some tests of my own with simulated automated trading strategies over the past few years of historical Bitcoin price data. I used a genetic algorithm to encode a range of time parameters for MACD, along with different trading triggers and amounts. After a day or two of running it against a huge number of permutations and generations optimized for highest overall return, I came to a similar conclusion: the fitte…

Not to be rude but I stopped reading at "MACD". TA is not the go-to strategy in stock trading for a reason. Indicators like MACD, RSI, Bollinger Bands etc re-paint a lot. So the perfect signals everyone sees on the charts are, for the most part, are just "profitable system" mirage.

TA is "Technical Analysis", according to Google. You're telling me those indicators are NOT used by rules-based traders in the stock market?
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