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Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by ithinkinstereo »

sammyjiang wrote: post #141
volgo wrote: post #58

The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…

I wonder how many days have ever stay in beijing? As one grew up in Beijing and lived for 26 years, I can definitely say that comparing Hutong to Indian slum is really really ignorant. You can ask anyone in Beijing, they will tell you that many people live in Hutong is one group of the richest people in Beijing. Nearly all people live in Hutong are Beijing natives, and their houses inside the hutong are called "sihey…

If you've ever traveled to both India and China in the past ~10 years, you know how ridiculous the comparison the OP is trying to make.

Just use the bathroom rubric when comparing slums...

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by gaius »

nawitus wrote: post #38
inertial wrote: post #36

Genuinely curious : What's a good alternative to setting a population limit per city ? Having lived in cities that are crumbling under poor infrastructure, unchecked growth, excessive pollution (from vehicles, stuck in endless traffic jams), shortage of water/electricity, I wonder what can be done to fix this. Everyone from across the country wants to migrate to a few big cities that provide good employment. We shoul…

As long as people are migrating, people are voting with their wallets that a city "crumbling under poor infrastructure" etc. is better than whatever place they're migrating from.

people are voting with their wallets that a city "crumbling under poor infrastructure" etc. is better than whatever place they're migrating from

I don't think that's true, because of imperfect information. A person living in a remote rural location may believe that they can can have a better life in a city, then make the journey at a high price (relative to their own resources) then arrive and find that it's not what they expected and they have no way to get home. I will wager a significant proportion of those impacted by this policy fall into that category.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by marcosdumay »

codeisawesome wrote: post #60
volgo wrote: post #58

The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…

Is there evidence that capping residents “cures” cities of Slums?

Is there any evidence that capping resident count is possible at all? Even for China?

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by kkarakk »

sammyjiang wrote: post #141
volgo wrote: post #58

The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…

I wonder how many days have ever stay in beijing? As one grew up in Beijing and lived for 26 years, I can definitely say that comparing Hutong to Indian slum is really really ignorant. You can ask anyone in Beijing, they will tell you that many people live in Hutong is one group of the richest people in Beijing. Nearly all people live in Hutong are Beijing natives, and their houses inside the hutong are called "sihey…

i understand being upset at being included in a standard that is by any definition upsetting but just because the value increases doesn't mean it's not a slum fyi there are places in mumbai too w/ astonishing market values and disgusting living conditions

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by kkarakk »

anthonyleecook wrote: post #148
taoistextremist wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are hutongs really all that bad there? When I was in Beijing, they were nice areas typically, albeit they smelled worse because of things like drainage not running as low, but overall it didn't seem terrible and many of them were pretty big areas for local business. I ask because I always thought Shanghai was more developed pretty much everywhere in comparison to Beijing. I mean, I'm sure the actual commie-blocks wer…

The qualities will vary, of course, but the bad hutongs can mean 1.) shared outhouse (no indoor toilet) 2.) dilapidated building 3.) communal politics from what I've heard (hutong grudges and fights for example) 4.) poor immigrant families stuffed into a small room I don't know much about Beijing, but I found a good article on it: http://designhotpot.com/infographic-four-perspectives-to-und...

basically recreating criminal "hoods" but in the megablock style of judge dredd

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by kkarakk »

jjcc wrote: post #167
anthonyleecook wrote: post #157

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Excuse me, I've seen many dead bodies in shanghai, lying out on the streets for everyone to see. One of the most memorable one is there was a guy laying face down lifeless, his legs covered in gangrene, about a block away from a busy metro station construction. He must have been there for days .

I bet you have illusion. But most readers don't know and believe what you said. Trust me, there's NO dead people on street in big cities. The only time I've seen was in a small town an old homeless people died overnight very close to a bus station. But covered with some bed sheet quickly. Any rational person will tell me: "You haven't seen doesn't mean there's NONE". Let me tell you why that can not happen: All the C…

http://www.virtualshanghai.net/Texts/Articles?ID=76 here's a paper from 2009 that directly contradicts you. why do you feel the need to bring nationality into the discussion? you think mentioning that there are a lot of chinese on hackernews will silence the facts? your data is as anecdotal as his but i've found a paper that contradicts you

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by kkarakk »

sammyjiang wrote: post #144
PakG1 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the feeling that you might not understand why you're being downvoted. There's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion. But on Hacker News especially, it is important to contribute to and elevate the discussion. After you post your comment, people should learn something from it. If people do, they appreciate your thoughts, and upvote you, especially if your thoughts are very insightful. If you don't contribut…

did you see the author provide any evidence? the author say something you'd like to hear then you instinctively think it's logic. if you have known how ridiculous it is to compare hutong with indian slum by the author, you will know nearly all of what he said is bullshit. (see on my explaination on another reply to him)

http://www.virtualshanghai.net/Texts/Articles?ID=76

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by capsulehotel »

kkarakk wrote: post #176
jjcc wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet you have illusion. But most readers don't know and believe what you said. Trust me, there's NO dead people on street in big cities. The only time I've seen was in a small town an old homeless people died overnight very close to a bus station. But covered with some bed sheet quickly. Any rational person will tell me: "You haven't seen doesn't mean there's NONE". Let me tell you why that can not happen: All the C…

http://www.virtualshanghai.net/Texts/Articles?ID=76 here's a paper from 2009 that directly contradicts you. why do you feel the need to bring nationality into the discussion? you think mentioning that there are a lot of chinese on hackernews will silence the facts? your data is as anecdotal as his but i've found a paper that contradicts you

Here's a paper from 2009 about 1950s and earlier China long before economic reforms that totally contradicts you... not...

Try harder bro...

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by danieldisu »

thriftwy wrote: post #49

In the middle of XX century, small-to-medium sized cities looked like an attractive place. That was unprecedented before and it doesn't look like it's going to repeat.

I think we will live a revival of these places, they provide better quality of life in many aspects, and can be very interesting for people who are fed up with the big city.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by Danihan »

volgo wrote: post #58

The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…

>Without heavy hand regulation in a developing countries, these things don't magically come at the kindness of employers.

They would "magically" appear if first world countries like the US added incremental import tariffs based on labor law adherence.

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