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Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by baybal2 »

anthonyleecook wrote: post #157
capsulehotel wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>you can see slums and sometimes dead people lying in the streets with no assistance hahaha nice try anti China shill with your 2 hour old shill account, Shanghai isn't India or Africa. This guy obviously has never been to Shanghai. There are neither slums or dead people. Low skilled migrant workers just like mexicans back in the US sometimes live in rundown apartments stacked 10 deep but the government has recently…

Excuse me, I've seen many dead bodies in shanghai, lying out on the streets for everyone to see. One of the most memorable one is there was a guy laying face down lifeless, his legs covered in gangrene, about a block away from a busy metro station construction. He must have been there for days .

Yeah, but Shanghai has nice public toilets. Dead bodies around are bad, but properly working public toilets are a very, very big, unthinkably big advancement over other Chinese cities.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by dmoy »

volgo wrote: post #58

The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…

Beijing's slums are not in the central city hutongs, but rather farther out past like ring road 5 or more.

Source: that's where I got sick and almost died lol.

Stuff changes rapidly though, so if I go back to where I was before there's probably a subway line and brand new development. Slums get pushed out to another spot.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by justicezyx »

igravious wrote: post #154
peteretep wrote: post #78

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It's still the same as it was in 1939 though... And if you compare it with any Chinese city, London's slow re-population looks exceptionally sluggish.

Where are the people going to come from? UK is already 83% urbanized: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS?year_... Not many rurals gonna migrate to the big smoke and as you can tell from Brexit the Brits ain't too keen any more on inwards migration. Let's not forget that from ~1825 to ~1925 London was the largest city in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_through...

Nice data, blind comparison without context is intentionally misleading

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by capsulehotel »

baybal2 wrote: post #161
anthonyleecook wrote: post #157

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Excuse me, I've seen many dead bodies in shanghai, lying out on the streets for everyone to see. One of the most memorable one is there was a guy laying face down lifeless, his legs covered in gangrene, about a block away from a busy metro station construction. He must have been there for days .

Yeah, but Shanghai has nice public toilets. Dead bodies around are bad, but properly working public toilets are a very, very big, unthinkably big advancement over other Chinese cities.

Idk where you have been but in second tier cities I have seen public toilets as well. Maybe not on the outskirts but in central areas for sure.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by justicezyx »

dreamdu5t wrote: post #127

Closed immigration policies and immigration quotas are descrimination - plain and simple. They’re a violation of human rights and treating people equally - whether in China or the USA.

Sure, but how can you legally removes the accumulated wealth from the 1% or 0.1%

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by mantas »

thriftwy wrote: post #142
mantas wrote: post #140

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Who said they tried to put a hard cap on Moscow at some lower number? Moscow grew to 8mln precisely because of government policies. Had they no limits, it could have been 2x that. And yes, that policy is definitely baiting ex-USSR countries in the ass nowadays.

The fun thing with autocrats, they want everybody to be on short leash, on the distance of calling before eyes or local phone call. So naturally, when they say they want to cap population of main cities - doesn't mean they're ready to delegate anything essential to 2nd tier cities! And they consider many many things essential being control freaks, so that's where you get additional growth. E.g. in the USSR, the main…

Yep. But Soviets loved to put industry in the middle of nowhere. The Siberia cities are prime examples. But there are many less extreme examples.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by jjcc »

anthonyleecook wrote: post #157
capsulehotel wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>you can see slums and sometimes dead people lying in the streets with no assistance hahaha nice try anti China shill with your 2 hour old shill account, Shanghai isn't India or Africa. This guy obviously has never been to Shanghai. There are neither slums or dead people. Low skilled migrant workers just like mexicans back in the US sometimes live in rundown apartments stacked 10 deep but the government has recently…

Excuse me, I've seen many dead bodies in shanghai, lying out on the streets for everyone to see. One of the most memorable one is there was a guy laying face down lifeless, his legs covered in gangrene, about a block away from a busy metro station construction. He must have been there for days .

I bet you have illusion. But most readers don't know and believe what you said. Trust me, there's NO dead people on street in big cities. The only time I've seen was in a small town an old homeless people died overnight very close to a bus station. But covered with some bed sheet quickly. Any rational person will tell me: "You haven't seen doesn't mean there's NONE". Let me tell you why that can not happen: All the Chinese government officials are desperately avoid losing face. So that can not happen.

What I said that's your illusion is based on an naive assumption that you didn't fabricate a story. There are many readers familiar with Chinese society and how it works here in HN.

update: for some typos and errors

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by mentos »

inertial wrote: post #36

Genuinely curious : What's a good alternative to setting a population limit per city ? Having lived in cities that are crumbling under poor infrastructure, unchecked growth, excessive pollution (from vehicles, stuck in endless traffic jams), shortage of water/electricity, I wonder what can be done to fix this. Everyone from across the country wants to migrate to a few big cities that provide good employment. We shoul…

Incentivize remote work?

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by ithinkinstereo »

anthonyleecook wrote: post #157
capsulehotel wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>you can see slums and sometimes dead people lying in the streets with no assistance hahaha nice try anti China shill with your 2 hour old shill account, Shanghai isn't India or Africa. This guy obviously has never been to Shanghai. There are neither slums or dead people. Low skilled migrant workers just like mexicans back in the US sometimes live in rundown apartments stacked 10 deep but the government has recently…

Excuse me, I've seen many dead bodies in shanghai, lying out on the streets for everyone to see. One of the most memorable one is there was a guy laying face down lifeless, his legs covered in gangrene, about a block away from a busy metro station construction. He must have been there for days .

lol what?

This is totally false. You will not see "many", let alone "one" dead body near any sort of "busy" area in Shanghai "for days".

Troll account.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by baybal2 »

capsulehotel wrote: post #164
baybal2 wrote: post #161

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Yeah, but Shanghai has nice public toilets. Dead bodies around are bad, but properly working public toilets are a very, very big, unthinkably big advancement over other Chinese cities.

Idk where you have been but in second tier cities I have seen public toilets as well. Maybe not on the outskirts but in central areas for sure.

Good for them! They advance leg in leg with big cities. What those towns were?
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