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Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by TeMPOraL »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #72
TeMPOraL wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And couldn't the same be said about US government? Or France government? Or any other Western government? How is it that China is obviously "corrupt to the core", but our governments are not? Pretty much daily reports in the news about corruption in western democracies - they all don't count, I assume, because what we have here is not True Corruption?

So you're saying that because we do not hear about corruption in state-controlled media in countries like China and Russia, but we do hear about corruption in countries like the US or France, is evidence that Western corruption is more rampant than elsewhere?

I'm saying that nowhere in this thread there is proof suggesting that Western corruption is meaningfully smaller, and not just different in phenotype but functionally still in the same ballpark as Chinese corruption.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by ihsw2 »

vkou wrote: post #95
delecti wrote: post #94

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There were a couple notable wars in that time though.

England was barely affected by the first World War. France, Germany, Austria, Serbia, the Ottoman Empire, and Russia bore the brunt of the fighting. And compared to the other belligerents, it was barely affected by the second, too. British colonial policies during the war killed more of their own subjects in India, then the Germans ever did on the home isles. (For anyone wondering why India sought independence... Wel…

The British economy nosedived into total exhaustion of resources, with resource rationing extending to 1956. It was closely intertwined with the French economy for a century before WW2 and its assets were wholly seized/decimated.

If WW2 went on for much longer then the UK would have descended into universal abject poverty and total societal collapse.

Granted this universal suffering of the populace ushered in the social-welfare state Britain is so commonly known for nowadays, it was nonetheless devastating.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by mythrwy »

hktrl wrote: post #35
est wrote: post #32

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It's simple. The rest 40M+ ppl in the city are "illegal immigrants". Which means no permanent residency, no health care, no education but only cheap labor.

true as you can fit 2 liters of wine in a 1 liter jar.

Oh you can. You just distill the rum out and feed the unneeded portion to the pigs. Which is presumably something like what is going on.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by TeMPOraL »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #76
TeMPOraL wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And couldn't the same be said about US government? Or France government? Or any other Western government? How is it that China is obviously "corrupt to the core", but our governments are not? Pretty much daily reports in the news about corruption in western democracies - they all don't count, I assume, because what we have here is not True Corruption?

It’s not binary! China is more corrupt than western countries, even if the west stil has corruption. The west has frequent reports about corruption because the media is separate from the government as well as separation of power, nothing can be papered over even if Donald Trump wants to silence it. In china, only corruption is reported on from official direction, the press can’t act independently. There are plenty of…

Of course it's not binary. What I'm suggesting is that differences in corruption may be small between all those countries (note that we can't just count everything that China does that's undemocratic as corruption, because China is not a democracy).

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by yazaddaruvala »

hktrl wrote: post #35
est wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's simple. The rest 40M+ ppl in the city are "illegal immigrants". Which means no permanent residency, no health care, no education but only cheap labor.

true as you can fit 2 liters of wine in a 1 liter jar.

That is a very solvable problem!

Just apply the right amount of pressure :)

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by PakG1 »

jamesoo8 wrote: post #84
rqs wrote: post #82

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I assume you're an another Chinese. If you are, I recommend you to provide more information in your comment before posting. For example, why it's unfair to compare India with China? You need to provide a reasonable ... will ... reason. Not everyone here knows what is it like to actually live in China, so it's fairly reasonable for people to be ignorance about it. Don't be offended or attack other people because of th…

I assume you are a typical so-called westerner. I just expressed my own opinion here, and according to my knowledge and experience, his statement is definitely wrong. This is not an essay, I have no time to write too much. If you want to know more, you should explore it by yourself. Serpentza? I watched most of his videos, and found he is just a hypocritical racist. You see, he never communicate with the locals, and…

I get the feeling that you might not understand why you're being downvoted. There's nothing wrong with expressing your opinion. But on Hacker News especially, it is important to contribute to and elevate the discussion. After you post your comment, people should learn something from it. If people do, they appreciate your thoughts, and upvote you, especially if your thoughts are very insightful. If you don't contribute anything new to the discussion, people don't appreciate your comments and prefer to downvote you.

In both of your comments, you say that someone is wrong, but don't offer any detailed examples of why someone is wrong. You state, "This is not an essay, I have no time to write too much." But this is Hacker News. If you read through many of the discussions here, many of the comments that get upvoted the most are actually essays that go into a lot of detail, logic, and evidence to explain each writer's thoughts. And those essays are appreciated because they elevate the discussion so that everyone learns something new.

Re: Shanghai sets population at 25M

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Post by jsjohnst »

volgo wrote: post #58

The problem they're trying to solve is city slums, which is common in Asia. I've worked in India before, and every major city (Delhi, Chennai) is filled with massive slums of migrant workers who obviously haven't kept up with the modern development. Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions lik…

> Without turning this into a pity post and sounding like an uncultured asshole, it was horrifying to see and really broke my heart that people are living in conditions like this.

I felt the same way when I first toured the shanty towns in the UAE where essentially “Slave” labor (mostly Pakistani / Indian / Bangladesh indentured servants) lived. In hack days I organized there in the early to mid 2010s, the students built a lot of wearable tech to help monitor the living and working conditions of these workers. Was very eye opening for all to say the least.

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