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At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by frankzinger »

provost wrote: post #11

> In 2003 Vice reached a $25,000 settlement with the freelance writer Jessica Hopper. The deal involved defamation claims tied to an interview she did with the rapper Murs that was published in the February 2003 issue of the magazine, according to a copy of the agreement viewed by The Times. During the interview, Murs asked Ms. Hopper if he could have sex with her. She said no and included that answer in her article.…

Let's not forget that they changed the interviewer's words to mean the exact opposite. Even though they could hardly have been considered a serious news organisation at that time, who wants to read an interview in which answers were changed so drastically?

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by root_axis »

nailer wrote: post #98
root_axis wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? Those comments are remarking on your needles injection of race into the discussion, not your criticism of rap culture.

You are correct in that WillPostForFood other poster is mentioning rap culture, which is predominantly based on a racial and class-based culture, but they are not injecting it into the discussion as it is part of what occurred. Perhaps you're simply uncomfortable discussing the topic, which is common.

> You are correct in that WillPostForFood other poster is mentioning rap culture

Huh? He literally said "black rap culture", not simply "rap culture" as you deliberately omitted in your reply. More than half of the top 10 rappers on the I-Tunes charts right now are white, and there is a huge section of the black community that is extremely critical of rap culture, there is also a large selection of rap music outside of the mainstream that explicitly rejects these themes, yet WillPostForFood insists on characterizing misogyny in rap as "black rap culture" rather than accept the criticism that there is a little more nuance to the topic than "black people are to blame for this, don't let them off the hook, it's their culture!".

> Perhaps you're simply uncomfortable discussing the topic, which is common.

Perhaps you're simply condescending and dismissive.

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Post by mathattack »

sporkenfang wrote: post #94
scoggs wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a general rule for life I've always made sure to keep anything romantic out of my work life. If there was someone important enough to me that I worked with who I wanted to approach in that sense I'd wait until one of us moved onto another job. I'm not willing to say the vast majority of work related flings and relationships end up in disaster but I'm sure a lot of other people won't say that the majority wind up a…

With you 100%. Sure, meeting people at work happens— in America people spend 8-12 hours a day there. But best to not act on anything until one or both parties don’t work at the same place. My dad had a slightly gross phrase for this: ‘don’t shit where you eat’. As in there’s no sense in potentially poisoning workplace relations if a romantic overture or relationship doesn’t go well.

I've worked at places that imported 1000s of college grads per year. In environments like this, there's no way to avoid office romance. The best you can do is put "No dating subordinates" in the company plan, and avoid serving excess amounts of alcohol at company events. (At one of the place I worked, the reason they stopped hard alcohol had to do with a DUI rather than harassment)

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Post by WillPostForFood »

jameskegel wrote: post #39
WillPostForFood wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that the behavior by Murs goes I commented on and uncriticized in the article. It is in the realm of bad behavior (asking a reporter “can we xxxx”). I suspect it is a lot more comfortable to critique white corporate culture than black rap culture, even though the later is deeply misogynistic.

I’m not sure what this has to do with his racial identity; I feel the same way about his behavior regardless.

Rap culture is extremely misogynistic - it is a weird form of denial to deny the racial aspect.

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by WillPostForFood »

root_axis wrote: post #102
nailer wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct in that WillPostForFood other poster is mentioning rap culture, which is predominantly based on a racial and class-based culture, but they are not injecting it into the discussion as it is part of what occurred. Perhaps you're simply uncomfortable discussing the topic, which is common.

> You are correct in that WillPostForFood other poster is mentioning rap culture Huh? He literally said "black rap culture", not simply "rap culture" as you deliberately omitted in your reply. More than half of the top 10 rappers on the I-Tunes charts right now are white, and there is a huge section of the black community that is extremely critical of rap culture, there is also a large selection of rap music outside…

The ultimate racist move is to deny the connection between hip hop and black culture. Total cultural appropriation right there.

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by root_axis »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #105
root_axis wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You are correct in that WillPostForFood other poster is mentioning rap culture Huh? He literally said "black rap culture", not simply "rap culture" as you deliberately omitted in your reply. More than half of the top 10 rappers on the I-Tunes charts right now are white, and there is a huge section of the black community that is extremely critical of rap culture, there is also a large selection of rap music outside…

The ultimate racist move is to deny the connection between hip hop and black culture. Total cultural appropriation right there.

> The ultimate racist move is to deny the connection between hip hop and black culture. Total cultural appropriation right there

Your snide tone is reason enough to write you off as a troll, but to read my comment as a denial of the connection between hip hop and black culture while also implying I am a racist requires a special gift for disingenuous toxicity. You've made your point.

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Post by 1337biz »

saas_co_de wrote: post #93
1337biz wrote: post #56

I am baffled by the outrage. Isn't Vice known to be an edgy, drugy and boundary bending outlet? Are we seriously pretending to be suprised that drugged up late teens are doing sick stuff. Or what am I missing here?

just because d-bag is your "image" doesn't make you immune from sexual harassment laws.

I am not criticizing the laws. What I have issues with is the fake outrage. It seems so hypocritical to me acting suprised about this situation. For me it is on the same level than breaking the news that rock stars are taking drugs and having sex with girls half their age. Sure, it is illegal and for some morally problematic, but pretending this is a scandal is beyond ridiculous.

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by nailer »

root_axis wrote: post #102
nailer wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct in that WillPostForFood other poster is mentioning rap culture, which is predominantly based on a racial and class-based culture, but they are not injecting it into the discussion as it is part of what occurred. Perhaps you're simply uncomfortable discussing the topic, which is common.

> You are correct in that WillPostForFood other poster is mentioning rap culture Huh? He literally said "black rap culture", not simply "rap culture" as you deliberately omitted in your reply. More than half of the top 10 rappers on the I-Tunes charts right now are white, and there is a huge section of the black community that is extremely critical of rap culture, there is also a large selection of rap music outside…

As I deliberately omitted? The next line of the sentence you're quoting is "...which is predominantly based on a racial and class-based culture".

I think you should consider your own position before accusing others of deliberate omission.

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

#109

Post by speedkills »

sporkenfang wrote: post #94
scoggs wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a general rule for life I've always made sure to keep anything romantic out of my work life. If there was someone important enough to me that I worked with who I wanted to approach in that sense I'd wait until one of us moved onto another job. I'm not willing to say the vast majority of work related flings and relationships end up in disaster but I'm sure a lot of other people won't say that the majority wind up a…

With you 100%. Sure, meeting people at work happens— in America people spend 8-12 hours a day there. But best to not act on anything until one or both parties don’t work at the same place. My dad had a slightly gross phrase for this: ‘don’t shit where you eat’. As in there’s no sense in potentially poisoning workplace relations if a romantic overture or relationship doesn’t go well.

Where I grew up it was: Don’t fish off of the company pier

Re: At Vice, Cutting-Edge Media and Allegations of Old-School Sexual Harassment

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Post by jsoc815 »

QAPereo wrote: post #91
WillPostForFood wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The three comments here show why behavior like Murs goes not only unaddressed, but unpunished. Rap culture shouldn't be off limits to criticism because of race.

You do realize that “rap culture” revolves around a product marketed to, and bought predominately by white kids, right? I realize the term is just a dog whistle for a much less kind word, but still.. so stupid.

Fun fact: An Interscope executive's teenage daughter was/is responsible for Tupac being signed to the label. She really liked his demo and begged her father to sign him.
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