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Max Ogden steps down as Dat project lead over sex abuse allegations

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Re: Max Ogden steps down as Dat project lead over sex abuse allegations

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Why do people keep apologizing publicly? Do they actually think that helps? For all you guys that are interested in a key insight: once dealing w accusations of abuse the worse response you can have (regarding your personal career) is to apologize publicly. Fight or stay silent.

I'm actually glad Robert Scoble made such a self-destructive public non-apology-apology, because now we all know exactly what kind of unrepentant victim blaming monster he is, since it's all on the record (including screen captures of stuff he eventually deleted).

Max's apology was at the opposite end of the spectrum from Scoble's series of attacks on the victim and non-apologies. It may have taken Max two tries, but at least the second was better than the first (as opposed to Scoble, whose non-apology-apologies just kept getting exponentially worse each time, including an asinine plug for his own disreputable company, and he tried to white-wash the record by deleting the previous non-apology apologies on Facebook and the awkward discussions attached to them).

Re: Max Ogden steps down as Dat project lead over sex abuse allegations

#12
Hey everyone. I’m part of the Beaker browser team (we use the Dat protocol). As Max’s colleague, it’s been extremely disappointing to learn about his behavior, but I’m proud of how the Dat team/community has stepped up in the last week.

Here’s my statement on the situation and how the Dat community is moving forward:

https://taravancil.com/blog/dat-leadership-changes/

Re: Max Ogden steps down as Dat project lead over sex abuse allegations

#13

Why do people keep apologizing publicly? Do they actually think that helps? For all you guys that are interested in a key insight: once dealing w accusations of abuse the worse response you can have (regarding your personal career) is to apologize publicly. Fight or stay silent.

And do you also have a 'key insight' about what is the right thing to do?

Maybe you are just talking about false accusations, but what you said sounded like the words of a sociopath.

Re: Max Ogden steps down as Dat project lead over sex abuse allegations

#15

Why do people keep apologizing publicly? Do they actually think that helps? For all you guys that are interested in a key insight: once dealing w accusations of abuse the worse response you can have (regarding your personal career) is to apologize publicly. Fight or stay silent.

Even ignoring the moral failings of your suggested course of action, it may be advisable in such cases to consider the actions celebrities in similar circumstances have taken. They do, after all, act on the advise of layers, PR-, and crisis communications experts paid in the 6-figures or more to handle such cases.

Re: Max Ogden steps down as Dat project lead over sex abuse allegations

#16

Why do people keep apologizing publicly? Do they actually think that helps? For all you guys that are interested in a key insight: once dealing w accusations of abuse the worse response you can have (regarding your personal career) is to apologize publicly. Fight or stay silent.

Even ignoring the moral failings of your suggested course of action, it may be advisable in such cases to consider the actions celebrities in similar circumstances have taken. They do, after all, act on the advise of layers, PR-, and crisis communications experts paid in the 6-figures or more to handle such cases.

There is at least one celebrity whose name I don't have to mention, whose response to numerous well substantiated accusations of moral failings should definitely not be emulated.

Re: Max Ogden steps down as Dat project lead over sex abuse allegations

#20

Why do people keep apologizing publicly? Do they actually think that helps? For all you guys that are interested in a key insight: once dealing w accusations of abuse the worse response you can have (regarding your personal career) is to apologize publicly. Fight or stay silent.

I don't get why this type of comment gets down-voted. It's just hypothetical and maybe it's an interesting point of discussion.

The situation is probably much more complex than anyone can imagine. We don't actually know any of the details of what happened.

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