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We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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I think this misrepresents the split. Trump's views on privacy are obvious and awful, yes - he has Sessions as AG. But Dianne Feinstein is one of the fiercest surveillance advocates in Congress. Hillary Clinton had vastly more support from intelligence agencies than Trump did, and refused to condemn what was described in the Snowden releases. Meanwhile, Rand Paul ended bulk phone record collection for a few hours in…

> Rand Paul ... Bernie Sanders made similar promises from the far opposite end of the spectrum. Referring to Libertarian and left-libertarian as opposite ends of the spectrum is a grave disservice, and feeds directly into our contemporary fallacious polarization. Either view it as a two-dimensional circle, or just ignore the secondary "Left"-"Right" marketing and analyze the primary characteristic of libertarian-auth…

I chose 'spectrum' since the comment I was referring to was starting from a "which party" question - the spectrum I was envisioning was "fringe to mainstream" within a given party.

I certainly agree that framing political beliefs themselves as linear is misleading, though. I should have been clearer about that.

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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Yes, yes I am. For years, my two biggest spheres of advocacy have been environmentalism and privacy/anti-surveillance. What I've noticed, with that background, is that privacy activism has steadily become more like environmental activism. With rare exceptions (e.g. the ozone layer), environmentalism is an endless, grinding rear-guard action. Extinct species do not become unextinct. Destroyed habitats do not recover,…

Maybe we'll end up with a new political subculture that derives pride and some sense of personal identity from fighting this stuff; just like gun people almost enjoy supporting the NRA. (In some way I think computer rights would be a lot more fun to support if a large fraction of the public was against it, then we would have the satisfaction of arguing.)

A large fraction of the gun community actually HATES the NRA for exactly the same reasons everybody else does. There's just no highly visible organizations for gun owners that, y'know, promote reasonable gun control and don't try and whip their members into wannabe race war frenzies.

Source: sitting in the gunsmith shop I work in right now

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

#183

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Make house shows. Use alternative venues. Don't give them your energy.

Did you understand that was a metaphor?

No, but my response applies in the abstract

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

#184

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I was trying to keep this short. :C See last section for tl;dr. ---- Health care repeal: Insurance premiums have skyrocketed since the ACA went into effect. Just this year, I know a small business owner whose premium for high-deductible family plan has gone up 2.5x. My employer-provided health insurance premium increased a little (relatively at least), but both the individual and family deductibles jumped by about 40…

>""Without a replacement" isn't considered a big issue because it's not like repealing the ACA shuts down the medical facilities/industry in any real way" No, taking important things like health care away from people and not presenting any kind of a replacement is a huge deal. >"Net neutrality is an example of polarization run amok, because I think that there would be a lot more bipartisan support for a real solution…

Equating a change in insurance benefits and costs based on changes to the ACA with "taking ... health care away from people" is simultaneously dramatizing the negative effect of the policy you dislike and minimizing the effect of the policy you prefer. As above, there are a lot of people whose "health care is being taken away", to use your terminology for "undesired fluctuations in insurance benefits and costs, including being completely priced out of their former policy", with the ACA in place. In reality, people are rarely rendered unable to access important health care services regardless of their insurance status.

Referring to "the citizen's best interest" is a tautology; political dialogue fundamentally arises from differing perspectives on how those interests are best served. In a free country, political discourse and representative government is the process by which "the citizen's best interest" is determined.

But I want to avoid the nitpicks. The issue is that when we hear coherent, valid perspectives that don't align with our own, we feel "not only insulted, but [endangered]". That's the sentiment we have to get away from.

I feel like I spent a pretty good amount of effort fulfilling your request. I presented reasonable perspectives that describe how the policies you mentioned can be interpreted to benefit the average citizen. That doesn't prove they're perfect or that they have no downsides, and it definitely doesn't mean that you'll agree. But as a society, we need to be able to engage in this dialogue without name-calling, threatening, or berating -- without condescension -- if we want to be able to stay stable and unified.

This is obviously not a simple task. What things could help us improve the mutual toleration and respect for actually-different POVs and the people who hold them? How can we refrain from hyperbolizing issues (e.g., pretending that a change to the current insurance regulations will leave scores dying in the streets, or conversely the confiscation of private medical facilities and destruction of all private medical industry) and present them in a way that allows each other to acknowledge the middle ground and agree to disagree?

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

#186

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Did you understand that was a metaphor?

No, but my response applies in the abstract

If the fancy club for rich people is the US, the only way you can get paid and not have the club take its cut is to move to another planet. You might be able to get around its house rules for performances by playing somewhere else, but it is literally the only available venue within 650 miles. If you even tried to set up a stage somewhere closer, bouncers loyal to the fancy club always arrive sooner or later to kick you out and burn it down.

That's more than $100 in gas money, and at least 20 hours on the road, just to get to and from a gig at a different club. So there is a cost to you in sticking it to the club management by peacefully refusing to play for them on their stage.

They know this when negotiating terms with you, and it allows them to capture some of that cost from the performers. Anyone willing and able to burn down the whole club can capture some of the potential cost of rebuilding it from the owners. "Yes, we could pay you a $20 stage fee and wait 3 hours to play, and not have to drive all the way to Club Canadia #3, or you could pay us $500 to go on stage right now, and you won't die in a fire and have your ashes added to the porcelain for the new urinals." You probably won't ever have to actually do that; they just have to believe your threat is credible in order to agree to a better deal.

That's what the petty violence is good for. It makes the other guy have an inkling that maybe, just maybe, this person could murder them and/or burn everything they own, and so they shouldn't act like a complete ass. It still works when that other guy is completely devoid of empathy, conscience, or courtesy.

Even if you don't believe in violence on principle, surely you must recognize the perception of weakness that can generate when in a negotiation with someone who does?

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

#187

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>""Without a replacement" isn't considered a big issue because it's not like repealing the ACA shuts down the medical facilities/industry in any real way" No, taking important things like health care away from people and not presenting any kind of a replacement is a huge deal. >"Net neutrality is an example of polarization run amok, because I think that there would be a lot more bipartisan support for a real solution…

Equating a change in insurance benefits and costs based on changes to the ACA with "taking ... health care away from people" is simultaneously dramatizing the negative effect of the policy you dislike and minimizing the effect of the policy you prefer. As above, there are a lot of people whose "health care is being taken away", to use your terminology for "undesired fluctuations in insurance benefits and costs, inclu…

>"I feel like I spent a pretty good amount of effort fulfilling your request."

No you haven't and that's the amazing part. You have spent hundreds of words contending a position that I never posited in the firs place. I have repeatedly states it wasn't about partisan politics but it was an issue with a system that increasingly only works for moneyed interests. It doesn't matter whether that money is from the left or for the right.

Yet for all of your talk about understanding and respect and toleration you have chosen to completely ignore my original and repeated premise. The irony is incredible.

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

#188
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Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but my response applies in the abstract

If the fancy club for rich people is the US, the only way you can get paid and not have the club take its cut is to move to another planet. You might be able to get around its house rules for performances by playing somewhere else, but it is literally the only available venue within 650 miles. If you even tried to set up a stage somewhere closer, bouncers loyal to the fancy club always arrive sooner or later to kick…

I'm afraid you've lost me. It sounds like you're upset about taxes and big government? I'm thinking about movements. Movements can go and evolve their way out of the old incentive models. Jesus said "give ceasar his money" cause, e.g. you can't eat money, so why cling to it in the first place?

I'm saying: transcend the club. Don't even try to compete with the old model, just outgrow it. You don't need to go anywhere and there will be nothing the old club owners would even recognize to burn down. Let them win at their game and find other ways to thrive.

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