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Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Re: Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by ksk »

valuearb wrote: post #258
ksk wrote: post #254

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> They were able to fit more battery using a custom form factor that would have been super expensive to make removable. No one had done this as well before, because Apple was the first to implement good embedded battery conditioning software so they would last a couple years without needing replacement. Why speculate on a tech forum, when these things are easy to find out? Just look at the battery specs for both mach…

So your rebuttal attempt to undercut my description of laptop market technology 8 years ago is linking to a couple present day laptops? OK, I’ll play. How thick are those laptops? How heavy are those laptops? How does their battery life compare? And review this so you have some basic technical knowledge and understanding of history. https://www.anandtech.com/show/2783/apple-s-2009-macbook-pro... https://www.anandtech…

>So your rebuttal attempt to undercut my description of laptop market technology 8 years ago is linking to a couple present day laptops?

No, your claim was that making batteries non serviceable means you have more room for a larger battery. It doesn't seem to be the case now. You are welcome to point to an example from the year that you purchased your laptop.

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Post by Fnoord »

chrisseaton wrote: post #206
abiox wrote: post #205

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it seemed to me you were saying that your received benefit in exchange for not being able to change the battery... was that you now had to pay someone else to do it. which is a bit odd. i would wager that their post was trying to highlight that.

> it seemed to me you were saying that your received benefit in exchange for not being able to change the battery... was that you now had to pay someone else to do it. which is a bit odd. That would be odd! Which is why that's not what I said. I said that the received benefit in return for having to pay for the batter to be replaced was 'a nicer phone'. I like the single form of the iPhone.

How do you know? Have you ever tried an iPhone with a replaceable battery? Is the iPhone 7 better than the iPhone 6 because it is more difficult to replace the battery?

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Post by Tloewald »

calciphus wrote: post #253
Tloewald wrote: post #167

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Well it's not like Android phones advertise "comes with malware direct from Google Play store" and "malware can run your phone so hard it will deform, catch fire, or explode"

[citation needed]

Use google.

https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/260789-new-android-malwar...

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Post by milankragujevic »

valuearb wrote: post #240
chrislomax wrote: post #221

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I’m not 100% on whether it was refurb or brand new. It came in a non branded box without a charger etc. The phone looked brand new. I’m going to install the app to check what the CPU is running at. It’s still ridiculous that she was running 10.x fine, she only updated because someone sent her some emojis that her phone didn’t understand and now is it’s running like crap

The last time I heard of someone buying an iPhone in a non branded box, she ended up getting a box filled with potatoes. Your wife is already ahead on that person.

Actually it's pretty standard to get replacement phones in a plastic bag with no accessories, I got a 5S replacement in a ziplock bag with a piece of A4 paper with some diagnostics data printed on it all in a thin layer of bubble wrap then in an envelope. All standard for Authorized Apple resellers and service centers in Eastern Europe, idk in other parts of the world. I'm guessing an official Apple store doesn't do that.

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Post by scotty79 »

valuearb wrote: post #200
scotty79 wrote: post #57

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> they're reducing the peak demand on the batteries to avoid spontaneous shutdown when the aged battery can't handle the load. It doesn't seem to help my gf had an iPhone 5 that started dying on peak demand but only after it got upgraded to new ios (i guess 8.0). We replaced it (it had bad battery from the start and apple had a program for replacing those). After few years on new battery it started doing the same thi…

All batteries wear out after a few years of use.

I understand lasting shorter on charge but shutting down when I turn on the camera while on 40% is uniquely apple experience.

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Post by chrisseaton »

Fnoord wrote: post #262
chrisseaton wrote: post #206

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> it seemed to me you were saying that your received benefit in exchange for not being able to change the battery... was that you now had to pay someone else to do it. which is a bit odd. That would be odd! Which is why that's not what I said. I said that the received benefit in return for having to pay for the batter to be replaced was 'a nicer phone'. I like the single form of the iPhone.

How do you know? Have you ever tried an iPhone with a replaceable battery? Is the iPhone 7 better than the iPhone 6 because it is more difficult to replace the battery?

This isn't a criminal trial. I don't have to defend it. I'm just telling you I'm happy with it. Someone told me I was wasting my money. I'm saying no I'm happy having to pay someone to replace the battery if it means I can have an iPhone instead of some other phone just because it has a user-replaceable battery.

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Post by nightski »

mikeash wrote: post #225
nightski wrote: post #224

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I've done this on many phones. The phone often isn't the same as it was initially because it was not designed for this. Many phones have tape that has been adhered through the use of heat. Changing the battery requires removal of many screws and disassembling very sensitive parts. Little mistakes can make the phone inoperable. Not to mention you take it to a technician who has the tools and you'd assume is doing a go…

Hundreds of dollars of tools? iFixIt sells a kit with tools and a battery for $25.

Certain phones can be done with a cheap kit. Some require heat guns (for certain adhesive tape) and more advanced equipment. Plus if you don't want to take any risk you really should have an anti-static environment with proper grounding.

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Post by systoll »

ksk wrote: post #254
valuearb wrote: post #197

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First, you can replace an iPhone battery, just take it to your Apple Store. It's reasonably affordable ($79) or free if still under warranty/Applecare. User-replaceable batteries don't change anything for the environment. Second, user-replaceable batteries don't come for free. They come with a series of trade-offs. Small increases in cost, space, even weight. If you plan to keep your phone for more than 2 years, user…

> They were able to fit more battery using a custom form factor that would have been super expensive to make removable. No one had done this as well before, because Apple was the first to implement good embedded battery conditioning software so they would last a couple years without needing replacement. Why speculate on a tech forum, when these things are easy to find out? Just look at the battery specs for both mach…

Neither of those laptops have easily swappable batteries.

[the XPSs is easier than MBP & Alienware, but you’re still disassembling things]

7 years later, Dell seems to have captured the same gains.

At present, Apple’s main battery life win is macOS.

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Post by squiggleblaz »

ben_jones wrote: post #17
IBM wrote: post #10

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It does say in iOS that your battery needs to be replaced [1]. Everyone keeps saying they never told anyone about this but they basically announced it to the press with a statement (as well as the notice in iOS) when iOS 10.2.1 was released [2]. [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207453 [2] https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/23/apple-says-ios-10-2-1-has-...

Millions of people own iPhone's and don't jump up and down meticulously reading every press release or notification. Hell I can't remember the last notification that didn't catch be at a bad time, prompting me to punt it off my screen as quickly as possible.

Yeah, iPhone's notification system is terrible. Based around "deal with it now because we told you to!". Makes me sad.
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