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Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by walterbell »

cjensen wrote: post #246
starky wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That this is happening when the cell is still at 87% capacity is really the problem here. How do you justify degrading your system's performance when the cell is still soundly in the healthy region?

Capacity is not power. Old batteries produce less power (volts times amps) no matter how full they are.

What threshold(s) are used by Apple to determine when to throttle?

If a new battery is purchased today, how many months of daily usage will cause Apple throttling to begin?

If a Samsung and Apple phone are purchased on the same day, used the same amount and benchmarked each day for 24 months, would their performance graphs look similar?

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Post by waterphone »

metafunctor wrote: post #102
komali2 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a "regular maintenance" type thing - less common than an oil change, sure, but perhaps just as necessary. So why not make it as easy as an oil change?

Having done both, I can tell you that replacing the battery on an iPhone is already easier than an oil change on a typical car. The iPhone parts are expensive, but it's a relatively simple operation for a trained person.

I mean, I'll agree that replacing a battery on an iPhone is a rather easy thing to do, but it's definitely still easier to change a car's oil…

Re: Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by calciphus »

Tloewald wrote: post #167
labster wrote: post #160

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Feature list: * 4.7-inch retina display * 12MP camera * Phone will get slower over time No, not seeing that advertisement working.

Well it's not like Android phones advertise "comes with malware direct from Google Play store" and "malware can run your phone so hard it will deform, catch fire, or explode"

[citation needed]

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Post by ksk »

valuearb wrote: post #197
jhiska wrote: post #42

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Somehow I am reminded of the lyrics "You spin me right round, right round, baby." The spin, I feel, is that somehow being able to replace one's batteries is bad. Whereas having an iPhone with degraded performance and an expensive-to-replace battery is good. You "bought a spare because you could" and "now it sits, waiting for you to recycle it", thus creating waste, but one can argue that anyone buying stuff they don'…

First, you can replace an iPhone battery, just take it to your Apple Store. It's reasonably affordable ($79) or free if still under warranty/Applecare. User-replaceable batteries don't change anything for the environment. Second, user-replaceable batteries don't come for free. They come with a series of trade-offs. Small increases in cost, space, even weight. If you plan to keep your phone for more than 2 years, user…

> They were able to fit more battery using a custom form factor that would have been super expensive to make removable. No one had done this as well before, because Apple was the first to implement good embedded battery conditioning software so they would last a couple years without needing replacement.

Why speculate on a tech forum, when these things are easy to find out? Just look at the battery specs for both machines.

https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/ is ~ 55 Watt/hr

A few random dells I looked up

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/xps-13/spd/xps-1...

60Watt/hr

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/alienware-13/spd...

76Watt/hr

Clearly, it seems to be the opposite. After using all kinds of laptops, the main benefits of Apple laptops AFAICT is that they don't come with pre-installed bullshit, they're easier to test because they only come in like 5 varieties, as opposed to the hundreds of thousands combinations that Windows has to deal with, and that OSX can be easier to use, for some users. I would recommend apple to any non-technical user for sure. I personally have never found apple hardware to be any different than other brands. I'm still using my Sony laptop from 2011 and its just as fast and rock-solid as the day I purchased it. As an aside, Microsoft doesn't usually cripple their popular software (Office, Visual studio, etc) so that it requires the latest OS, unlike Apple which forces you on the upgrade treadmill - sure, its free, but you also don't have a choice. YMMV ofcource.

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Post by macns »

valuearb wrote: post #201
macns wrote: post #90

I don't get it. An old iPad 2 was running fine card games until we upgraded to IOS 9 a few weeks ago. Now it's almost unusable. Pretty sure we had the same battery before we upgrade, so why wasn't cpu throttled before we upgrade? This looks more like Apple needed to slow down devices to sell new ones and found a really good excuse for it.

Because iOS 8 didn't have throttling code? Did your iPad have any problems with spontaneously rebooting?

I don't remember random reboots or otherwise similar behavior. More importantly, I remember same upgrade problems since 2010 or so.

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Post by wccrawford »

jhiska wrote: post #119
wccrawford wrote: post #84

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I had to replace the batteries in our Nexus 6Ps recently. I didn't buy from Google, so they wouldn't deal with it out of warranty, despite it being a defect. They're replaceable, but they are clearly not meant to be done by the user. There were many opportunities to break pieces of the phone or ruin it completely. It's a horrible design.

Both the iPhone and the Nexus 6Ps have horrible battery-swap design, but I still don't want to pay middle-men for what should be simple service I should be able to do at home.

I fully agree. When I said I replaced the batteries, I meant it literally. I did the work. It was ugly.

But it was a hell of a lot cheaper than the quote I got from the repair shop, and I didn't break anything. (Which isn't a surprise... I like fixing things.)

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Post by valuearb »

ksk wrote: post #254
valuearb wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, you can replace an iPhone battery, just take it to your Apple Store. It's reasonably affordable ($79) or free if still under warranty/Applecare. User-replaceable batteries don't change anything for the environment. Second, user-replaceable batteries don't come for free. They come with a series of trade-offs. Small increases in cost, space, even weight. If you plan to keep your phone for more than 2 years, user…

> They were able to fit more battery using a custom form factor that would have been super expensive to make removable. No one had done this as well before, because Apple was the first to implement good embedded battery conditioning software so they would last a couple years without needing replacement. Why speculate on a tech forum, when these things are easy to find out? Just look at the battery specs for both mach…

So your rebuttal attempt to undercut my description of laptop market technology 8 years ago is linking to a couple present day laptops?

OK, I’ll play. How thick are those laptops? How heavy are those laptops? How does their battery life compare?

And review this so you have some basic technical knowledge and understanding of history.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/2783/apple-s-2009-macbook-pro...

https://www.anandtech.com/show/2783/apple-s-2009-macbook-pro...

Re: Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by Upvoter33 »

sctb wrote: post #150
Upvoter33 wrote: post #6

THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. I always thought I was going crazy, thinking my increasingly "old" phone seemed slow. This is really irritating and disingenuous on Apple's behalf - as said above, they should at least add a switch.

Would you mind not using uppercase for emphasis, please? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

oops, my bad. bad habit, used for "humor"/emphasis. failed on both here it seems... :)
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