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Tax-Free Bitcoin-To-Ether Trading in US to End Under GOP Plan

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There is no sale for dollars involved in the OP's scenario. Is there an actual sell in your scenario or is it "virtual"?

There is no "real" sell on Vanguard to go from one fund to another, but regulations require them to mark it as a sale, and to denote the cost basis of the sale.

It also will be marked-to-market

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post #37

Are exchanges going to provide us with necessary tax documents in order to pay these taxes? So far all I've found is a terrible csv export that shows the date and amount of purchases of various crypto currencies, but no information at all on the current price at the time of purchase or the amount sold for (this is on Coinbase). I'm starting to get a bit concerned.

I'm planning to use either cointracking.info or bitcoin.tax - they accept these exports, and use their own feeds for determining cost basis at purchase time. Overall I've been pretty dissappointed by the recommendations put out by the IRS - I ended up having to talk to pay to talk to a tax advisor due to the conflicting advice on the internet.

I tried cointracking.info a couple of months back and figured that it would take some time for it to stablize. With different exhanges using different formats, and no support for all exchanges (at least the ones I am using), it is tough to tally. I finally used their export as basis and built my own excel sheet. I don’t think I have it all figured but I am happy with what I have. Now whenever I make any transaction, I add entries to my sheet.

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Do you also mind having free public schools and roads...?

Those things are free? I feel like I have been paying for them since I got my first job at 14. I'll probably still be paying for them when I am 80.

And you'll still be using them when you're 80.

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post #129

If I buy N btc every month for different price and then sell some fractional amount, what would be the cost base? It appears to be possible to name the lot being sold but I can't find the consensus, internet in general advises FIFO.

If it's like stocks, I reckon you can specify which lot is getting sold. That was one of the things up for debate under the GOP proposed tax reforms. FIFO requirement for sales didn't make it into the final bill.

This is the best resource I have found at a quick search. The answer is simply it depends on how you setup your cost basis.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/averagecostbasismethod....

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Spoken like someone who's never lived under a functioning socialized government like, say, Canada.

Spoken like someone not from Canada. When the government was funding all of the residential schools, you had no option but to pay the government or risk being tortured.

I'm actually British, Canadian and Polish, and I live in the US. I've lived in Canada, Australia, Saudi Arabia and Saipan. I've had the opportunity to live under many different systems. Of course, Canada has done shameful things in the past, as has virtually every other nation. I mean, Quebec was a world leader in the export of chrysotile asbestos until 2012. I hardly think you can point to past systems as a reason the current is deficient.

There are plenty of things Canada can do better, too: universal drug benefit, universal dental and vision, childcare, not exporting asbestos so much, etc. I can honestly say though, its a much better way to live up there than down here. You can point to what your taxes do, like allow you to live without the fear of crushing medical debt at any moment. So you pay them without the same amount of tooth gnashing.

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Can someone please explain to me huw the government wants to track trading in Anonymous currencys? They don't know it's me whi traded btc for eth

Neither one is anonymous. In many ways they are less private than traditional currencies or assets.

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post #39

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If you want to be compliant, and not commit tax fraud, you will. Just because it will require some effort to track you down doesn't make it ok.

You and I may be compliant. The point is, most people won't.

Saavy consumers will definitely evade this. However, this tax is likely targeted at finance companies looking to “get into crypto” and will do everything by the book

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post #129

If I buy N btc every month for different price and then sell some fractional amount, what would be the cost base? It appears to be possible to name the lot being sold but I can't find the consensus, internet in general advises FIFO.

If it's like stocks, I reckon you can specify which lot is getting sold. That was one of the things up for debate under the GOP proposed tax reforms. FIFO requirement for sales didn't make it into the final bill. This is the best resource I have found at a quick search. The answer is simply it depends on how you setup your cost basis. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/averagecostbasismethod....

but can I switch between different cost basis methods per transaction basically? exchanges don't provide any tax info anyway.
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