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Tax-Free Bitcoin-To-Ether Trading in US to End Under GOP Plan

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Re: Tax-Free Bitcoin-To-Ether Trading in US to End Under GOP Plan

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Is the cost basis calculated by the US dollar value of each at the time of the exchange? Or based on the exchange rate of the two currencies? Scenario: 1. I buy 1 ETH for 1 USD when rates are 1 ETH/USD, 2 ETH/BTC. 2. I trade 1 ETH for 1 BTC when rates are 2 ETH/USD, 1 ETH/BTC. Option 1: I’ve incurred a loss, because the sale is reported as first a sale of ETH for USD, then a purchase of BTC at whatever the cost basis…

Yeah, this is the confusing part for me - moving from BTC to other crypto. Also if it is based on USD price at the time of the transaction...then which one? Coinbase rates can be far different from other exchanges.

The lowest/highest one you can convince the IRS is valid.

Re: Tax-Free Bitcoin-To-Ether Trading in US to End Under GOP Plan

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Is the cost basis calculated by the US dollar value of each at the time of the exchange? Or based on the exchange rate of the two currencies? Scenario: 1. I buy 1 ETH for 1 USD when rates are 1 ETH/USD, 2 ETH/BTC. 2. I trade 1 ETH for 1 BTC when rates are 2 ETH/USD, 1 ETH/BTC. Option 1: I’ve incurred a loss, because the sale is reported as first a sale of ETH for USD, then a purchase of BTC at whatever the cost basis…

It is the exact same as exchanging mutual funds at your brokerage. Like an exchange I did just this morning: $10,000 VHDYX -> $10,000 VFIAX. It creates two orders a sell and a buy. I'm taxed capital gains on the $10k sale (about $600 gain) and the buy has nothing to do with it, until I sell it in 5 years.

There is no sale for dollars involved in the OP's scenario. Is there an actual sell in your scenario or is it "virtual"?

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Know Your Customer, requiring exchanges to provide the necessary data, etc.

What about decentralised exchanges?

The trend is towards KYC compliance and automatic sharing with tax authorities. I assume after a while very few countries will tolerate exchanges not complying.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is the exact same as exchanging mutual funds at your brokerage. Like an exchange I did just this morning: $10,000 VHDYX -> $10,000 VFIAX. It creates two orders a sell and a buy. I'm taxed capital gains on the $10k sale (about $600 gain) and the buy has nothing to do with it, until I sell it in 5 years.

There is no sale for dollars involved in the OP's scenario. Is there an actual sell in your scenario or is it "virtual"?

There is no "real" sell on Vanguard to go from one fund to another, but regulations require them to mark it as a sale, and to denote the cost basis of the sale.

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So... Bitcoin people complain that it's not taken seriously as a real currency. Then when it is, with all the associated regulatory and tax ramifications, they complain about that, too.

Who complaining? The "Bitcoin people"?

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Tax evasion rarely works out long term.

Yup. Remember, it wasn't the police who got Capone, it was the IRS.

So the IRS is going to put the same amount of resources into each of the new mini - Capones as they did Capone?
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