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Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Re: Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by jhiska »

chrisseaton wrote: post #77
jhiska wrote: post #62

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It is not easily replaceable as with any other phone. The issue is not creating waste, but wasting one's money on middle-men for replacing one's phone batteries. >I know every TV remote I've owned with a battery door eventually ends up with a rubber band around it, and I think that's pretty much a universal experience. You're relating a supposedly personal story to make your spin claims more relatable. Maybe you're l…

> The issue is not creating waste, but wasting one's money on middle-men for replacing one's phone batteries. Well I could say I'm spending that money on having a nicer phone that's sealed and seamless, rather than wasting it.

Sealed, seamless, performance-degraded, costly to service, with planned obsolescence.

It's quite obvious that it's a waste of money to pay middle-men to perform basic service on it for stuff a user can do at home with any other phone.

Re: Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by IBM »

logfromblammo wrote: post #85
IBM wrote: post #32

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iPhones have the longest life of any smartphone and you can verify that yourself by looking at the used market for it (and any Apple product). User replaceable batteries may ironically decrease that and increase waste.

What metrics are you looking at in the used market to support your hypothesis? Could they be explained by a different hypothesis? I'm still enjoying my 3-year-old non-iPhone, and intend to keep using it until it stops working entirely, whereas my spouse with an iPhone was already voicing suspicion before this announcement that Apple was intentionally slowing their old iPhone through updates, just to provoke an upgrad…

The fact that iPhones are updated for the longest time and are built well is directly related to why you can get as much as you can when you sell a used iPhone. Apple actually has an incentive to create the longest lasting iPhone because the economics of the iPhone Upgrade Plan and every carrier upgrade plan depends on it.

That iPhones retain their value over time is a testament to the fact that Apple has not been slowing down old iPhones to make you upgrade (this conspiracy theory predates iOS 10.2.1 by many years).

Re: Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by lukewrites »

invisiblea wrote: post #49

Had the battery in my iPhone SE replaced about an hour ago to test this out Geekbench 4 benchmark before https://twitter.com/invisiblea/status/943439761066397696 And after https://twitter.com/invisiblea/status/943891561661812736

Did you have it replaced at an Apple Store or by a third party? I'm deciding between the two – my gut is to go with the Apple Store, but the apple website makes it sound like it could take up to 5 days, which is too long.

Re: Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by chrisseaton »

jhiska wrote: post #91
chrisseaton wrote: post #77

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> The issue is not creating waste, but wasting one's money on middle-men for replacing one's phone batteries. Well I could say I'm spending that money on having a nicer phone that's sealed and seamless, rather than wasting it.

Sealed, seamless, performance-degraded, costly to service, with planned obsolescence. It's quite obvious that it's a waste of money to pay middle-men to perform basic service on it for stuff a user can do at home with any other phone.

Right... but the point was I get something, in return for having to pay middle-men to service it. It's a trade I'm happy with. Maybe you aren't, but it works for me.

Re: Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by komali2 »

QuotedForTruth wrote: post #89
jsilence wrote: post #79

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> Arguably, this does more to prevent obsolescence than plan it. Why not simply make the battery replacable?

It is replaceable, just not replaceable without expertise and tools. Would you say that most of your car parts aren't replaceable?

It's a "regular maintenance" type thing - less common than an oil change, sure, but perhaps just as necessary. So why not make it as easy as an oil change?

Re: Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by komali2 »

IBM wrote: post #10
djrogers wrote: post #3

It's not only to make them run longer - they're reducing the peak demand on the batteries to avoid spontaneous shutdown when the aged battery can't handle the load. This seems like a good idea, and it appears to be well executed (ie it's not apparently based just on age or milage like a crappy car maintenance reminder), but Apple should probably have something in iOS that tells people their phone is running slow beca…

It does say in iOS that your battery needs to be replaced [1]. Everyone keeps saying they never told anyone about this but they basically announced it to the press with a statement (as well as the notice in iOS) when iOS 10.2.1 was released [2]. [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207453 [2] https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/23/apple-says-ios-10-2-1-has-...

Upgrading the battery doesn't restore speed, though.

Re: Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by komali2 »

mikestew wrote: post #33
Blazespinnaker wrote: post #14

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How about just the ability for a user to replace the battery? Should be a law to cut down on ewaste.

Alternatively, folks buy batteries they don’t need just because they can. I did that with my Galaxy Note, bought a spare because they were $30 and because I could. Never used it, the Note had great battery life. Now it sits on a shelf, waiting for me to recycle it.

Well that's one experience - as a frequent traveler and thru-hiker, extra replaceable batteries are an absolute necessity for me.

Re: Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by IBM »

komali2 wrote: post #97
IBM wrote: post #10

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It does say in iOS that your battery needs to be replaced [1]. Everyone keeps saying they never told anyone about this but they basically announced it to the press with a statement (as well as the notice in iOS) when iOS 10.2.1 was released [2]. [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207453 [2] https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/23/apple-says-ios-10-2-1-has-...

Upgrading the battery doesn't restore speed, though.

Replacing the battery does in fact "restore speed".

Re: Apple Says It Slows Older iPhones to Save Their Battery Life

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Post by mikestew »

jhiska wrote: post #42
mikestew wrote: post #33

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Alternatively, folks buy batteries they don’t need just because they can. I did that with my Galaxy Note, bought a spare because they were $30 and because I could. Never used it, the Note had great battery life. Now it sits on a shelf, waiting for me to recycle it.

Somehow I am reminded of the lyrics "You spin me right round, right round, baby." The spin, I feel, is that somehow being able to replace one's batteries is bad. Whereas having an iPhone with degraded performance and an expensive-to-replace battery is good. You "bought a spare because you could" and "now it sits, waiting for you to recycle it", thus creating waste, but one can argue that anyone buying stuff they don'…

Alternative ways of looking at things is “spin” in your mind, huh? Well, that’s one way to keep a narrative, I suppose.
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