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Why Don’t Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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Re: Why Don’t Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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Reminds me of this: >What’s the most egregious thing the boomers have done in your opinion? >I'll give you something abstract and something concrete. On an abstract level, I think the worst thing they’ve done is destroy a sense of social solidarity, a sense of commitment to fellow citizens. That ethos is gone and it’s been replaced by a cult of individualism. It’s hard to overstate how damaging this is. https://www.v…

It’s funny to me that that article talks about everyone loving to bash Millenials, on an article bashing boomers, which you can throw on the massive pile of other media that bashes boomers.

Why?

Re: Why Don’t Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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Why don't Europeans understand how little we care what they think? Their rights have been systematically eroded and their countries stolen right out from underneath them. That condescending, undeserved attitude of faux superiority means absolutely nothing to red-blooded Americans. They can keep their baguettes, I'll be just fine with my 30.06 and my F-250.

Re: Why Don’t Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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The socialism in Sweden has not killed anyone.

Not yet, you mean.

At the moment the American quality of life is objective worse. The American healthcare system of today is killing people or bankrupting them, but Sweden's quality may one day decline to American levels, so that's a strong enough argument to say it's the worse choice?

Re: Why Don’t Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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As a European having lived in the US in a fairly rich state on many measures, and coming into contact with quite some American culture, this article "feels" spot-on.

It seems to me that Europeans are simply much more practical. Where Americans fall into a sort of philosophical debate quickly, Europeans regard the philosophical view yet take practical measures. The healthcare system as a very apt example: "Socialistic state-sponsored healthcare" is what it is: state-sponsored healthcare in a socialistic setting. But it works for us, and as such we don't care too much.

In many online debates were Americans make a point, extremism is encouraged. Two opposing sides or one strong side is heavily argumented for. This causes a deep divide between anything to be discussed in US culture, I feel. In EU the attitude seems to be more: "yeah, these indeed are the extremes, but let's decide on a practical solution most can live with". In the US, usually an (extremist) side is picked.

Re: Why Don’t Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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The author must live in an alternate universe. I'm a dual-citizen (US/France) due to my mother being born in France.

"so they already look half-dead — order coffee and a croissant, both of which are fairly tasteless"

Sorry, but there are plenty of places where croissants don't suck (give Wegmans a try) - and I'd be hard-pressed to believe that those major US cities don't have bakeries run/owned by real frenchmen.

"Everything I consume in the States is of a vastly, abysmally lower quality. Every single thing. The food,"

Really? Everytime I go to europe, the meat tastes like crap in comparison to US-raised meat, it's tough as a shoe-sole and it's overpriced.

"So my quality of life — despite all my privileges..."

There you have it, this guy has homes in London AND New York. Ask the average EU citizen (I'm not talking about techies, I'm talking about the blue-collar workers) how good they have it.

I compare my upbringing in the States (we lived in France for a year when I was young and it just wasn't for me) and life is far easier on the blue-collar worker in the US if you could find a decent job.

An uncle of mine spent 4 years out of work (machinist) before he found a new job in France. My father worked in a factory in the US for 37 years. This is obviously too small a sample to be significant, but other family have had similar outcomes and difficulties. My mom (who still barely speaks english) wouldn't go back to live in France.

This is still the land of opportunity for those who are willing to work their butts off and take risks. The only thing I wish we had in the US is universal healthcare. It's coming, when the republicans manage to lose congress in 2018.

So yeah, if you're rich a rich hipster, Europe might be "better."

I'll keep my guns, my F150, and my 4,000 square foot (372 sq. meter) house, merci beaucoup.

Re: Why Don’t Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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Why are we pretending its a binary choice?

What socialist government has ever reduced in size? They grow and grow to become fully socialist ala Cuba.

Socialism and bureaucracy are not exactly the same thing.

Re: Why Don’t Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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The article makes a passing mention to the British NHS which is universally loved by everyone in the UK. Why do so many Americans object to universal health care yet complain about insurance premiums? Its something I've never understood as an outside observer.

>universally loved by everyone I don't think something can be universally loved. There are many stories of long waiting times and people going overseas for private healthcare. People like private healthcare because it aligns with America's love of freedom - which includes the freedom to fail.

I have had a chance to speak with quite a few people who spent some time living in a country with universal healthcare, and not a single one would give it up or think that the American system is better. Or even acceptable, for that matter. Public healthcare does not mean lack of private healthcare.

I’ve heard Canadians complain about the lack of private options awhile back, but I think even that is solved now.

Re: Why Don’t Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

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My understanding is that it's easier to get a culturally homogenous population to buy into economic collectivism, vs. a culturally diverse population. E.g. the migrant "problem" that the EU is dealing with--last I checked, most of Europe wasn't stumbling over themselves to provide social services to all of their recent arrivals...

Re: Why Don’t Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are?

#90
Ameericans do realize how unhappy they are. There's an epidemic of opiate addiction.

That unhappiness is the result of many things: major changes in the job market leaving millions without opportunities, the collapse of hundreds of small towns and communities, the disintegration of the nuclear family, etc.

Ironically, materially, Americans are much better off than they were decades ago, but all that material prosperity has left people unsatisfied.

In my opinion the problem goes much deeper than this, as Augustine said:

> You have made us for yourself, O Lord, and our heart is restless until it rests in you.

But the inadequacy of consumerism is maybe more clear.

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