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Study finds police body cameras had no significant impact on use of force

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Re: Study finds police body cameras had no significant impact on use of force

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Better than nothing, however?

Not really. The article states two huge downsides:

1) Privileged footage access by the police results in selective publication of parts of the video, creating false or distorted narratives;

2) Police cameras are cameras, so this results in increased surveillance.

Re: Study finds police body cameras had no significant impact on use of force

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Surprise! You can’t expect to extract any value from cameras under police control. The cameras must exist beyond the reach of police departments, and publish footage in a way that cannot be censored. The body cameras get censored because the police have created a system that benefits them, above all else. The reality of this outcome should weigh heavily on everyone’s mind, about how this correlates with every other a…

> and publish footage in a way that cannot be censored

Easier said than done. Police officers are often seeing people on the worst day of their life. It would be an incredible decrease in privacy and general dignity if all footage was just published uncensored.

If someone assaulted you and stole your cloths would you want a video online of you being interviewed about the experience with just a towel on (and probably a few scenes where you are completely naked before they get you the towel)? That is potentially an extreme example, but ever day police officers interact with innocent people and victims that don't deserve to have that experience made public domain.

In short, the police need some way to make sure some video is kept private.

Police abuse of power is a terrible thing. I have no doubt they are literally getting away with murder and framing people in many cases. But we have to remember that a vast majority of what officers do is to protect us and help us in our time of need.

Re: Study finds police body cameras had no significant impact on use of force

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tl;dr: The problem isn't the "body cam". The problem is that the victims can't get at the body cam footage due to various rules put in place by departments and police unions.

... which implies the body cameras work, since why would they withhold information that exonerates them?

Re: Study finds police body cameras had no significant impact on use of force

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Surprise! You can’t expect to extract any value from cameras under police control. The cameras must exist beyond the reach of police departments, and publish footage in a way that cannot be censored. The body cameras get censored because the police have created a system that benefits them, above all else. The reality of this outcome should weigh heavily on everyone’s mind, about how this correlates with every other a…

> and publish footage in a way that cannot be censored Easier said than done. Police officers are often seeing people on the worst day of their life. It would be an incredible decrease in privacy and general dignity if all footage was just published uncensored. If someone assaulted you and stole your cloths would you want a video online of you being interviewed about the experience with just a towel on (and probably…

Perhaps "publish" is the wrong word. Control over the camera and its contents should be in the hands of an independent body like eg the IPCC. The cameras should not be able to be turned off by the user for obvious reasons of incentive.

Re: Study finds police body cameras had no significant impact on use of force

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Surprise! You can’t expect to extract any value from cameras under police control. The cameras must exist beyond the reach of police departments, and publish footage in a way that cannot be censored. The body cameras get censored because the police have created a system that benefits them, above all else. The reality of this outcome should weigh heavily on everyone’s mind, about how this correlates with every other a…

> and publish footage in a way that cannot be censored Easier said than done. Police officers are often seeing people on the worst day of their life. It would be an incredible decrease in privacy and general dignity if all footage was just published uncensored. If someone assaulted you and stole your cloths would you want a video online of you being interviewed about the experience with just a towel on (and probably…

The video should be able to be presented in court, unaltered and verified for both parties involved, whenever the need comes up.

Or if anything, they should not be tampered with and disabling them should weigh heavily against the police in the courts - it's one of the few ways they can disprove excess violence and such.

Re: Study finds police body cameras had no significant impact on use of force

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Every $1 spent on buying and maintaining useless cameras is $1 not spent on actual policing. So, much better than nothing?

If you dream of a Utopian land without police officers, I hear Somalia is gorgeous this time of year.

Oh, just fewer. There’s probably less LE per capita in Scandinavia than there are in Somalia.

Re: Study finds police body cameras had no significant impact on use of force

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Surprise! You can’t expect to extract any value from cameras under police control. The cameras must exist beyond the reach of police departments, and publish footage in a way that cannot be censored. The body cameras get censored because the police have created a system that benefits them, above all else. The reality of this outcome should weigh heavily on everyone’s mind, about how this correlates with every other a…

This summer, an officer in Maryland accidentally taped himself planting drugs. This case alone justifies the continued use of cameras (especially without the on/off button). Cameras should be under direct control of the judiciary, available to defense and not merely the district attorney's office.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-bod...

Re: Study finds police body cameras had no significant impact on use of force

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Surprise! You can’t expect to extract any value from cameras under police control. The cameras must exist beyond the reach of police departments, and publish footage in a way that cannot be censored. The body cameras get censored because the police have created a system that benefits them, above all else. The reality of this outcome should weigh heavily on everyone’s mind, about how this correlates with every other a…

This summer, an officer in Maryland accidentally taped himself planting drugs. This case alone justifies the continued use of cameras (especially without the on/off button). Cameras should be under direct control of the judiciary, available to defense and not merely the district attorney's office. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-bod...

Allowing the police to have total control and oversight was, to me, the point where I knew the police body camera idea wasn't going to fix everything right away. It feels like mostly lip service but it has shown some good splotches here and there. LIke you said, until they are out of the hands of police they are basically useless... Unless buffoon cops forget to turn it on / off depending on the situation.

Re: Study finds police body cameras had no significant impact on use of force

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Surprise! You can’t expect to extract any value from cameras under police control. The cameras must exist beyond the reach of police departments, and publish footage in a way that cannot be censored. The body cameras get censored because the police have created a system that benefits them, above all else. The reality of this outcome should weigh heavily on everyone’s mind, about how this correlates with every other a…

> and publish footage in a way that cannot be censored Easier said than done. Police officers are often seeing people on the worst day of their life. It would be an incredible decrease in privacy and general dignity if all footage was just published uncensored. If someone assaulted you and stole your cloths would you want a video online of you being interviewed about the experience with just a towel on (and probably…

In principle, it ought to be possible to ensure an encrypted version of all the video is always uploaded to some governmental servers that the police can not tamper with, where the video can only be accessed under appropriate circumstances by an appropriate authority.

Re: Study finds police body cameras had no significant impact on use of force

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Better than nothing, however?

Not really. The article states two huge downsides: 1) Privileged footage access by the police results in selective publication of parts of the video, creating false or distorted narratives; 2) Police cameras are cameras, so this results in increased surveillance.

I dont get number 2. There's already a police officer where the camera is, they themselves are surveillance. Id much prefer the camera. Especially if I did something wrong so it can be seen exactly what I did instead of the report being blown out of proportion to ensure the charges stick.
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