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Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by icebraining »

AriaMinaei wrote: post #365
phyller wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get the pink plane reference, but this is a good point. I'm conflicted about it. On one hand you are right we should try to use new technology to get to entirely different levels of productivity, opening up "new worlds of ideas". At the same time, we have built our organizations, relationships, even our own brains to work in a certain commonly accepted way. Everyone can visualize what I mean when I describe a…

> But yes, it would be a tragedy if the better, more revolutionary way of working was discarded for an incrementally better version of what we are used to. This tragedy is common occurrence with incremental ideas. Compared to the revolutionary, incremental ideas have an unfair advantage. They are way easier to talk about, way easier to imagine, way easier to implement, and way easier to sell. They capture the market,…

QWERTY seems like a curious example; I'd hardly call a different keyboard layout a revolutionary idea - neither in its conception nor in its results.

In fact, I'd say it's an example of the opposite: the alternatives didn't surpass QWERTY because they were mere incremental improvements. You need a big leap to beat the inertia of the existing systems.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by ehsankia »

jhiska wrote: post #342
lvoudour wrote: post #68

Since the 1st iteration of the design is apparently ready, why can't they just show a small demo? It's supposed to be shipping in 2018. They could easily have hired a team of top notch creators to showcase some of the capabilities of the device live -even if the device is still not 100% ready- instead of this silly Manhattan project secrecy. I hope they deliver as promised, but something smells fishy. It's a pity, be…

You're right. It's yet another teaser. Not holding my breath.

I keep telling myself that I won't take them seriously as long as there's no public demo, but big serious company who have seen behind closed doors demos keep giving huge chunks of money... They've gotten $2B in funding... with so many companies out there trying to do what Magic Leap is doing, I don't see any reason why VCs would give them so much money over the others. The only plausible explanation is that their secret demo must've been really good.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by woolvalley »

grogenaut wrote: post #311
phyller wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are valid points, especially your point about fidelity, current tech is good enough for gaming and apparently not good enough for work (or we haven't figured out how to use it right). So they can sell it for that right now. But this and other comments are vastly underestimating the resources that people would be willing to exchange to make their work better. For what I described, a "reasonable" price point coul…

What is the rate of spending in industry on displays vs computers? My general feel is people skimp on displays and over spend on compute. So it would be hard to fight that trend. Secondly with VR as a desktop replacement... This is simple math. A 4k (or higher) 30" monitor will always be easier and cheaper to build and worst case the same. Except it's at 3' from your face. Shrink that monitor massively and stick it i…

There is a max resolution that people care about, often talked about with 4k TVs. Look at the chart in this example: http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/

So eventually, we will get there :)

There is also talk about how we actually only mentally process a small focus point in high resolution, and a renderer that could track our focus point could use a lot less GPU compute for a scene if fast enough.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by mrighele »

phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

> I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity.

Is it ? If we talk abour VR, yes, but there are a number of companies actually delivering AR products whose focus is on productivity. Some examples (but there are more) are

Microsoft with Hololens [1] Epson with Moverio devices [2] Sony [3] Vuzix [4]

Their oldest model are simple smart glasses, it seems to me that they are moving towards full AR. As a plus side, they don't look something that I would wear only inside the office of SV startup.

[1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/hololens [2] https://epson.com/moverio-augmented-reality [3] https://developer.sonymobile.com/products/smarteyeglass/ [4] https://www.vuzix.com/

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Post by jonas21 »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #290
chasing wrote: post #166

The old demo videos from a year or two ago showed that the Magic Leap could not do opaque black. Black = transparent on their clear screens. If that's still the case, then every single example image on their site is a misrepresentation. They all show black and indicate the Magic Leap can do opacity. I call bullshit until I see that they've solved that problem.

"Rendering black" is an unsolved problem technically. There are a few approaches. One is selectively blocking incoming light at the lens, however due to the nature of light because the distance between the lens and the eye that would allow for the right per pixel degree specificity is relatively large, you would get bleeding from the other incident light and the "black" would look at best fuzzy. The other way to do i…

On the other hand, for many applications where people say they want to "render black," darkening the entire field of view and rendering on top of that is sufficient and not particularly hard to do.

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Post by PurpleRamen »

phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

VR is mostly focused on gaming. Because it sells better now and is simpler, cheaper. AR is mostly focusing on produtivity, Google Labs and Microsoft Hololens are known examples. But this is harder to develop, so progress is simply slower. And I assume it's easier to develop for highly specific task then delivering a universal solution. So there is not much to hear about for the normal people.

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Post by tigershark »

timzentu wrote: post #378
phyller wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was google glasses problem though, they didn't focus enough on productivity. It was a gimmick. Instead of handing it out to techies to play with, they should have made one single useful application, like for doctors or architects, and then only rolled it out to them. Instead of "glassholes" you'd have respected professionals who would come to rely on it for work. More and more applications would be added, and ev…

Wow, you must work in a magical office. I work in Tech Support for a large company that is in the Fortune 1000, and they don't spend that much for tech. The engineers don't get that much either. They give us hand-me-down laptops in tech support, and buy mid level machines for the software engineers. The will spend more if there is need, but that would be the server, not the user laptop. Gamers will shellout $1000's t…

Google glass is absolutely pointless and cannot be used for mixed reality. It has a fixed small display that forces you to look at there. Magic leap will allow you to move freely your eyes inside the active field of view.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by Ajedi32 »

cma wrote: post #344
kirillzubovsky wrote: post #287

In my opinion, the new Magic Leap seems to do exactly what Microsoft Hololens could do two years ago. The only advantage they could have is in the UI, which MS 100% failed at, and in content availability which was really poor for MS as well. This thing could be huge, if the first people who try it on find an abundance of interactive experiences, so much that they rave about it, and make everyone else want one. Best y…

I think they will have some ability to have variable focus, and it sounds like the field of view is slightly bigger, but not by enough yet.

The form factor also looks significantly better.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by supergirl »

not sure if this page is aimed at regular people, but by reading it I don't know what this device is. I would guess some kind of AR. what I can read is that it's for creators and it will change the world.
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