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Are you implying that the more species in existance the better? If so why?
Do you want to live in a world without any other living things? How many living things do you want? Is life less interesting if there are only two types of living beings? I think that the world as we know it is valuable to us because we enjoy it, and nothing more. If we can't appreciate the beauty of life (most of us can't persist on the pure beauty of mathematics or conceptual analysis), what's the point?
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Kinda off-topic but 4,500 species are critically endangered right now Based on the fact that more than 99.9% of all the species are now extinct, how is this an alarming sign? It seems like a part of the natural evolutionary process.
You have to consider the period of time over which those species became extinct. Per E.O. Wilson, we're losing species at a rate that is ~1,000 times faster than anything in the past. If it continues, the loss in biodiversity will lead to the breakdown of many ecosystems that we depend on for survival.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, we are all fatigued, and that is how they win. Can't get your Bill through? Rename it and submit again. Still won't work? Tack it onto a Medicaid / NASA funding bill. Still won't get through? Change the wording so that it becomes more vague and open to interpretation in your favour and start again. Bonus points if you give it a name involving patriotism, freedom, economic or personal health, or a backromym that…
>"Bonus points if you give it a name involving patriotism, freedom, economic or personal health, or a backromym that spells out the same." Indeed, and this "cognitive dissonance" technique is so widespread now that you can generally invert the message to find out the actual intention of the legislation is. Examples: If you are cutting taxes for the wealthy donor class say it is bill to "help the middle class and the…
We've assimilated so many political positions into our cultural signaling subroutines that almost every issue is seen as "identity politics" nowadays. This occurs by design, because political profiteers are profited by creating clear boogeymen and corralling "their side" by shaming them for even considering the other side's POV.
We need to get back to a political ethos based on mutual respect, and an understanding that the "other side" is not an evil, but rather a check that is necessary to keep things balanced and smooth. Conservative principles do not arise out of the liberal caricatures that Republicans hate the poor, and liberal principles do not arise out of the conservative caricature that Democrats are communists vying for totalitarian economic control.
We cannot see each other as separate tribes and expect to succeed. We have to see each other as people of goodwill, on the same team, working for the same ultimate purposes.
Politics has been commoditized into television entertainment. There is no better indicator of this than TV showman Donald Trump employing those tactics to win the presidency. And like everything else on TV, what start out as mild differences gradually become "Flanders-ized" [0], and we hardly realize it until we look back to see how it was.
There are going to be winners and losers in any political action. That's a reality of political life and it's why we have the carefully-designed representative government systems that we have.
We need to acknowledge and weigh the costs on both sides instead of ignoring one side of the equation and saying "This bill ONLY exists to hurt Class Y!" or "This bill is great and has no negative consequences for anyone!"
Regardless, changes in technology including air travel, telecommunication, and 24-hour live news have permanently shifted our political landscape. We should think about how we can change our processes, our use of this technology, and/or both to ensure that we maintain a coherent and peaceful union, and stop the polarization. Polarization only serves the interests of pirates and opportunists.
[0] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a false dichotomy which is enabling to the surveillance state.
When was the last time a 3rd party candidate won?
It's entirely possible to say "this is a false dichotomy, both parties are fundamentally hopeless on this issue" and also say "third party candidates are completely unelectable".
I'm not entirely fatalistic; I think "a major party greatly realigns its views on privacy" is possible, if hard and unlikely. I mentioned Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders as contrarian voices each pulling their party away from bulk surveillance, and I hope we'll see more such voices in the future. A realignment looks increasingly possible, and increasingly necessary. But I honestly don't think "third parties are powerless" should be seen as a reason to have any hope at all for our existing options.
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And depressingly it won't rollback until tyrannical governments get in power and run amok. The sheer damage politicians across the world are inflicting on future generations with these privacy laws are very depressing.
But it's to prevent attacks in the short-term. If passing these laws were more immediately damaging than an actual attack (ie moving long-term consequences up) they might stop doing this.
Laws that give the government broad surveillance power give money and power to defense contractors (reliable political donors), and give power to the political group that currently holds power.
These laws damage freedom for all citizens, and they undercut political opponents.
As such, the laws might be harmful to democracy, but are valued by those who have power and wish to further consolidate it.
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#116I'm not a US citizen, so my voice doesn't count. But does your voice count if you are a US citizen? Nope. The corporations and politicians decide, we can just be allowed to have nice sits in the front row and watch how the corporations world grow.
Happy watching. Tickets are expensive, and mandatory. Nice dreaming.
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Yes, yes I am. For years, my two biggest spheres of advocacy have been environmentalism and privacy/anti-surveillance. What I've noticed, with that background, is that privacy activism has steadily become more like environmental activism. With rare exceptions (e.g. the ozone layer), environmentalism is an endless, grinding rear-guard action. Extinct species do not become unextinct. Destroyed habitats do not recover,…
Kinda off-topic but 4,500 species are critically endangered right now Based on the fact that more than 99.9% of all the species are now extinct, how is this an alarming sign? It seems like a part of the natural evolutionary process.
But putting in practical terms of "what do I have to gain?", let me say this: every species is carrying unique genetic information that we can learn and employ to our advantages. Maybe a particular species doesn't have anything we can use right now, but might have in the future. Letting it be extinct mean we lose that information forever.
Genetic information is like nature's source code. Now imagine we can't write code, we can just use what's already out there. Every time a species dies, it's source code forever lost.
Like... plants in the Amazon forest. A lot of them served as the material for medicine. We used their "source code" to fight diseases, and fix human problems. And we are losing genetic source code we never even had time to analyze yet!
There are animals that can kind of rejuvenate, and they never die of old age. Imagine being able to "steal" their code and use it to make our health better! If they go extinct, we lost that source code. Forever.
There's no going back, no un-extinction. And we can't go to other planets to analyze their animals, since we haven't found alien life yet. All we have is the life that is available, and we're getting rid ot that life fast.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have to consider the period of time over which those species became extinct. Per E.O. Wilson, we're losing species at a rate that is ~1,000 times faster than anything in the past. If it continues, the loss in biodiversity will lead to the breakdown of many ecosystems that we depend on for survival.
The species extinction rate is very high at the moment, but large impact events probably produce a higher rate and larger ecosystem disruption. The Chicxulub impact extinction event was a much worse than our current situation.
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#119And you will do nothing... as usually. You will just dream about having any influence on the world going on. I'm not a US citizen, so my voice doesn't count. But does your voice count if you are a US citizen? Nope. The corporations and politicians decide, we can just be allowed to have nice sits in the front row and watch how the corporations world grow. Happy watching. Tickets are expensive, and mandatory. Nice drea…
Is that why gay people can get married in the US (but not in 160 other countries), because what US citizens think doesn't count? (the majority in the US support gay marriage)
Is that why the house and US Senate recently voted almost perfectly in step, overwhelmingly in favor, of rolling back civil asset forfeiture abuses? Congress has nothing to fear from it, they do however know their voters are angry about it.
Is that why the Obama Admin put net neutrality into place, because votes & voices don't matter? It was in fact overwhelmingly demanded by Obama's voters. Votes, of course, matter in a big way as it turns out: had Hillary bothered to fight for the blue wall state voters, we'd still have net neutrality.
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We may only have hours left to watch elected representation completely ignore the welfare of the electorate again, but we probably still have months left to choose who exactly it is that we will be shoving up against the wall when the revolution comes. At this point, when they obviously don't fear losing their office, they need to fear something else. If you can't bring yourself to do physical violence, you can maybe…
I get that you're angry. That's totally valid. I'm also angry and also have violent fantasies. I'm certain that everyone does, its a psychology fact. But why not channel your destructive urges into dismantling internalized oppression? The ways that you and I go about maintaining these very structures we are each so angry about? I'm a musician. I once played at a fancy downtown club that took my band's working/middle…
Your method of protesting doesn't work if you care about the national debt, quantitative easing, inflation, interest rates, crony capitalism, the rent economy, the value of your money growing worthless day by day while the cost of living is artificially getting higher despite technological advances.
What do you do to address those issues? Not participate in the economy? Create your own currency, your own bank and somehow escape regulation? Vote?
They keep pushing people into a corner and expecting us to submit. Technological innovation (e.g cryptocurrencies, encrypted wallets, globalisation etc.) and violence are the only tools we have to fight back. Any other system (e.g voting) has been gamed to serve their interest or rendered useless (e.g protesting but don't be inconvenient)
Don't get me wrong, your vote still counts (in non gerrymandered districts) and I'm sure you can voice your opinion on gay marriage; but the stuff that actually matters, you are voiceless and expected to obey or die.