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Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by wlesieutre »

IMTDb wrote: post #252
chisleu wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big problem there is resolution and the "Screen door" effect. Text has to be fairly large in order to be readable. We will need an enormous resolution and incredibly low dot pitch to solve those issues and make productivity tools possible. This is the tech space where I dream of working. I have been designing features for developer teams in AR but without the hardware being available, it's all theory.

That and the whole "how do you make stuff opaque". All the demo show semi-transparent object being added to the real world. Making text legible when you can't fully control the background on which it is display is very hard. My best guess is that if they don't advertise that use-case it is because they don't really feel ready to be judged on it.

Magic Leap claims to be able to occlude real-world objects with their AR, not just semi-transparent "hologram" overlays. This is something I'd want to see for myself, but here's what Brian Crecente at Rolling Stone wrote about it:

> Miller wanted to show me one other neat trick. He walked to the far end of the large room and asked me to launch Gimble. The robot obediently appeared in the distance, floating next to Miller. Miller then walked into the same space as the robot and promptly disappeared. Well, mostly disappeared, I could still see his legs jutting out from the bottom of the robot.

> My first reaction was, “Of course that’s what happens.” But then I realized I was seeing a fictional thing created by Magic Leap technology completely obscure a real-world human being. My eyes were seeing two things existing in the same place and had decided that the creation, not the engineer, was the real thing and simply ignored Miller, at least that’s how Abovitz later explained it to me.

If they really have that working, it's a huge advantage over systems like HoloLens.

https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-intro...

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Post by AriaMinaei »

phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

I see this is a popular wish, and I'm afraid it's frustratingly unimaginative.

Finally we have a medium that can open up entirely new ways of doing things with computers, yet so many people just wish it could replicate the old ways.

Same thing happened when the first display computers were made to emulate paper-based terminals instead of exploring what's possible on a graphical display. We still haven't fully recovered from that.

Oh the pink plane.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by phyller »

nabeards wrote: post #270
phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

For your point 2), have you seen the Tap (no affiliation, just excited about it)? https://www.tapwithus.com

Wow thanks! That looks very similar to what I was thinking, I will check that out.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by muraiki »

russdill wrote: post #244
arnioxux wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can do opaque it seems. Quote from the rolling stone article: https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/features/lightwear-intro... > Miller wanted to show me one other neat trick. He walked to the far end of the large room and asked me to launch Gimbal. The robot obediently appeared in the distance, floating next to Miller. Miller then walked into the same space as the robot and promptly disappeared. Well, mostly dis…

It's unclear if this is just due to favorable lighting or not.

Read the Rolling Stone article where it explains how the light field tech works. It's nothing at all like a conventional display, but rather treats the eye as a filter and delivers to the eye the photons necessary to cause your _visual cortex_ to render the desired image. That's what makes this so different from any other VR/AR/mixed platform out there.

Edit: Let me quote the article instead of explaining it poorly:

"What that would mean is that the brain grabs more information and renders more detail when it needs to. And that completely changed the way Abovitz and his team were thinking about the light field problem. Suddenly, if the theory was right, technology didn’t need to capture the entirety of the light field and recreate it, it just needed to grab the right bits of that light field and feed it to the visual cortex through the eye...He was sure if they could create a chip that would deliver the right parts of a light field to the brain, he could trick it into thinking it was seeing real things that weren’t there. The realization meant that they were trying to get rid of the display and just use what humans already have."

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by wmeredith »

AriaMinaei wrote: post #292
phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

I see this is a popular wish, and I'm afraid it's frustratingly unimaginative. Finally we have a medium that can open up entirely new ways of doing things with computers, yet so many people just wish it could replicate the old ways. Same thing happened when the first display computers were made to emulate paper-based terminals instead of exploring what's possible on a graphical display. We still haven't fully recover…

What is a paper based terminal?

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by russdill »

muraiki wrote: post #294
russdill wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unclear if this is just due to favorable lighting or not.

Read the Rolling Stone article where it explains how the light field tech works. It's nothing at all like a conventional display, but rather treats the eye as a filter and delivers to the eye the photons necessary to cause your _visual cortex_ to render the desired image. That's what makes this so different from any other VR/AR/mixed platform out there. Edit: Let me quote the article instead of explaining it poorly:…

I'm sorry, but this is technobabble and not an actual description of technology or engineering.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by Ajedi32 »

blueprint wrote: post #286
swalsh wrote: post #165

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You're just wrong. Aesthetics are crazy important on consumer devices. I'd argue it is THE most important aspect on something you WEAR. People put an awful lot of thought into their clothes, and accessories. Some people don't care, but they're rare. If aesthetics didn't matter there wouldn't be 100 different clothing stores in the mall. When we choose what to wear, we're annoucing to the world who we are. When you we…

No, it's you who has said something wrong. You're talking as if this device has no "aesthetics". As if skilled industrial designers didn't produce a design. The way you're talking raises doubts about your qualifications. But I'm going to put that aside for now. Plenty of people thought the Walkman was futuristic because they were blown away by what it could do in that package. Maybe some of the more insecure people d…

> because you obviously can't see what they can see

Literally, in this case.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by phyller »

wmeredith wrote: post #295
AriaMinaei wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this is a popular wish, and I'm afraid it's frustratingly unimaginative. Finally we have a medium that can open up entirely new ways of doing things with computers, yet so many people just wish it could replicate the old ways. Same thing happened when the first display computers were made to emulate paper-based terminals instead of exploring what's possible on a graphical display. We still haven't fully recover…

What is a paper based terminal?

Instead of a screen, output used to just be typed on paper like a typewriter. And we have basically emulated that as we worked our way up to modern computers. It's a good point.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by 0xdeadbeefbabe »

AriaMinaei wrote: post #292
phyller wrote: post #226

I don't understand why this entire field seems so focused on gaming, and not productivity. The single most interesting thing to me was the "displays on demand". There are two things that would absolutely revolutionize how I work that I would pay big money for: 1) Any sort of glasses that would allow me to view virtual displays in high definition. I don't care if I have to turn my head to see more than one display, I…

I see this is a popular wish, and I'm afraid it's frustratingly unimaginative. Finally we have a medium that can open up entirely new ways of doing things with computers, yet so many people just wish it could replicate the old ways. Same thing happened when the first display computers were made to emulate paper-based terminals instead of exploring what's possible on a graphical display. We still haven't fully recover…

pink plane?

I agree it's unimaginative, so I'm imagining programming in VR in picture-forth.

Re: Magic Leap One

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Post by vanderZwan »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #169
lvoudour wrote: post #68

Since the 1st iteration of the design is apparently ready, why can't they just show a small demo? It's supposed to be shipping in 2018. They could easily have hired a team of top notch creators to showcase some of the capabilities of the device live -even if the device is still not 100% ready- instead of this silly Manhattan project secrecy. I hope they deliver as promised, but something smells fishy. It's a pity, be…

I share the concern that there's still nothing too publically accessible, but the device itself isn't completely under wraps. The journalist in the Rolling Stone article[0] viewed a few demos built between the ML team, including one with Sigur Ros that's got a very small clip on youtube[1]. I suspect building a demo of this kind of tech that's remotely as impressive viewed on a website or youtube video is challenging…

If the concern is interrupting the hype machine, why not use reaction videos? That worked for Enchroma glasses, which is in a very similar position: both are about doing something with your vision by wearing glasses, making it hard (impossible in Enchroma's case) to capture on video.

http://enchroma.com/

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