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Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

lucaspiller wrote: post #171
Feniks wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I block ads, analytics and 3rd party fonts. Almost every site works just fine.

I do the same (uBlock Origin) and almost every site works, but there are a still a few I need to whitelist because they do weird stuff, like triggering their own scripts to run from analytics callbacks. Airline and banking websites are a couple of common categories of sites I usually need to whitelist to work properly - that's not really an issue though as they don't usually have 3rd party ads.

I do the same thing too, blocking all 3rd-party junk using uBlock Origin. As one specific example, I've had to let motortrendondemand.com fire off Omniture, because apparently their video player (through Kaltura) depends on it.

It's just lazy design, or possibly malicious, I'm not sure.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

cabaalis wrote: post #133
Feniks wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I block ads, analytics and 3rd party fonts. Almost every site works just fine.

As I'm sure you're aware, many content creators that you are reading the work of fund their efforts via ads. I think this is a happy medium to attempt to improve performance of these pages without denying them compensation.

> As I'm sure you're aware, many content creators that you are reading the work of fund their efforts via ads.

I cannot make myself care about that, at all.

I am not the person responsible for finding a viable revenue model, that is the responsibility of the content creator. I refuse all ads and tracking, because I value my own attention span, my time, my bandwidth and my privacy.

I am not obligated to watch ads online, just as I am not obligated to stay on a TV channel and stay in the room while ads are running, just as I am not obligated to pay any attention at all to ad billboards.

As an aside, I support several high-quality content creators through Patreon, and several open source projects through donations.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

rihegher wrote: post #187
deckar01 wrote: post #15

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> using data of the Tracking Protection database This database is already being maintained and used for private browsing. I find it unlikely that an analytics CDN will play cat and mouse with Mozilla just so it's script will load a few milliseconds sooner.

Where can we find this list?

The list is supplied by Disconnect.me

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by bigbugbag »

michaelmior wrote: post #3
marten-de-vries wrote: post #2

Interesting approach. I hope more browser vendors will adopt it. It comes with an additional advantage: if a website still needs to function when tracking domains are delayed a second or so, they likely will function too with said domain completely disabled (e.g. using extensions). Sounds like a win from a user perspective.

Do you mean that browsers implementing this will force website owners to make their sites work with tracking domains delayed? This does seem like a nice side benefit.

He meant that no browser with a significant market share will implement thi, the sites will remain broken which will only be evident in firefox. The side effect will be people visiting those sites will switch a different browser.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by bigbugbag »

cabaalis wrote: post #133
Feniks wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I block ads, analytics and 3rd party fonts. Almost every site works just fine.

As I'm sure you're aware, many content creators that you are reading the work of fund their efforts via ads. I think this is a happy medium to attempt to improve performance of these pages without denying them compensation.

Their failed business model is not our problem.

I think you are aware that ads are the emerged part of the iceberg, the big part is the profiling, tracking and data collection going hand in hand with ads.

If ads were unintrusive and not gobbling privacy, then I would not block them as I would not mind them.

Excuse me but I have to go now, local girls want to give me a free ipad that I won by clicking the fart button after subscribing to the newsletter that was blocking the content of the page I finally chose not to read because fk it.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by bigbugbag »

fishmeat wrote: post #120
notyourday wrote: post #104

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I have an even better approach: uBlock origin + noscript

Is there much different between uBlock origin vs Ad Block Plus?

adblock plus is commercial operated and is paid by advertisers to get whitelisted, akin to an extorsion mafia business. It's an ad blocker coming with tainted default settings. It used to significantly impact performances (not sure if this is still the case).

ublock origin is a one man personal project to improve his online browsing experience that he shared with the public and has become the goto reference. It has no whitelist or acceptable ads policy, is a general purpose blocker (blocks trackers, remote fonts, etc.) coming with sane default settings. It does not have the same performance issues adblock plus has.

In short: ditch adblock plus and switch to ublock origins.

You'll find more details here: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by sundarurfriend »

> To conclude on how useful the tailing feature is – unfortunately, at the moment I don’t have enough data to provide (it’s on its way, though.)

I wonder if this post was rushed to publication, to manage Mozilla's public image and reestablish it as a friend to user privacy, after the 'Looking Glass' fiasco a few days ago.

(I'm not exactly opposed to such PR efforts, as long as they're accompanied by actual internal change in the company.)

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by bigbugbag »

coolspot wrote: post #64
thephyber wrote: post #41

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You're not thinking about this from a game theory perspective. Slow down pages -> more users bounce -> fewer ad impressions -> less ad revenue.

Also possible scenario is Slow down pages -> more users frustrated with Firefox -> fewer user share -> Mozilla closes and donates all code to Apache Foundation.

That would be great ! Where do I sign for this ? I cannot wait for this to happen.

Re: Firefox 57 delays requests to tracking domains

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Post by 659087 »

bzbarsky wrote: post #137
659087 wrote: post #115

Tracking scripts should be blocked by default, not just delayed. If a user has some strange desire to be watched, give them the option to opt-in to their browser unblocking tracking scripts/domains.

> Tracking scripts should be blocked by default, not just delayed. There is in fact a preference to do that: Settings -> Privacy -> Tracking Protection, set to always. It breaks some reasonably popular sites, which is why it's not on by default across the board right now.

Yes, there's an option to enable blocking. I think it should be the other way around, which was kind of my whole point. That's the only way to encourage site owners to stop designing sites that break when they can't spy on users.
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