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The Google-Facebook Duopoly Threatens Diversity of Thought

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Re: The Google-Facebook Duopoly Threatens Diversity of Thought

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Post by kyrra »

padseeker wrote: post #65
hi-im-mi-ih wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide an example of WSJ defending duopolies, or this sort of thing?

I'd actually love to but the WSJ has a paywall. Generally speaking the WSJ editorial page always defends unfettered markets, less regulation, and anything that would be considered pro business. The WSJ calling for some sort of intervention to deal with the duopoly of Google/Facebook is very out of character. Any principled conservative would admit to that.

News Corp, WSJ's parent company, is one of the US business that hasn't been the happiest with Google.

https://www.recode.net/2017/6/26/15878518/yelp-oracle-news-c...

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Post by JasonFruit »

jacksmith21006 wrote: post #48
colordrops wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both right and left wing propaganda is strong and coordinated these days. I can't say anything that doesn't toe the line with either side and not have them look at me like I'm an asshole. I've been called both a socialist welfare state supporter and a reactionary corporate feudalist. Which is it folks. The division is worse than it ever was in my lifetime.

Only seen the right wing go after Google. Not sure I really even know what is left wing? What would you consider left wing?

This sounds glib, but it's revealing: if you're not sure what the left wing is, it's you. Just like for extreme conservatives, for whom they and others like them are "just regular people," "Real Americans", you're so immersed in your half of the divide that the left wing is just "reasonable people," "people who don't suck."

That is the problem we're facing.

Re: The Google-Facebook Duopoly Threatens Diversity of Thought

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Post by nickik »

lr4444lr wrote: post #29
humanrebar wrote: post #13

This is the first I heard of the Prager U parental filtering and demonetization. The videos are certainly conservative, both culturally and economically, but the ones I've seen aren't objectionable in any way. In many ways, they are less objectionable than a lot that goes out over the AM radio bands in the U.S. Ars Technica on the story: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/prageru-sues-you... Best I can find…

What do you think about the fact that this WSJ article though is "the first you've heard of it"? Could the story itself perhaps have been suppressed in some deliberate manner by Google?

That literally the line they use every time they are talking about the 'evil internet'. They really don't like that people don't just follow them anymore, now they need to grab attention like all those internet blogs they so hate.

Re: The Google-Facebook Duopoly Threatens Diversity of Thought

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Post by creaghpatr »

lr4444lr wrote: post #29
humanrebar wrote: post #13

This is the first I heard of the Prager U parental filtering and demonetization. The videos are certainly conservative, both culturally and economically, but the ones I've seen aren't objectionable in any way. In many ways, they are less objectionable than a lot that goes out over the AM radio bands in the U.S. Ars Technica on the story: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/prageru-sues-you... Best I can find…

What do you think about the fact that this WSJ article though is "the first you've heard of it"? Could the story itself perhaps have been suppressed in some deliberate manner by Google?

Exactly

Re: The Google-Facebook Duopoly Threatens Diversity of Thought

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Post by atomi »

jacksmith21006 wrote: post #43

Not sure ther issue with Google. I use Google Alerts and get a mixture of content and definitely not slanted one way or another. I am pretty liberal but I am someone that can deal with reading the otherside and do not have to put my head in the sand. I will even watch Fox from time to time just to see how they are talking about things. Google would know my slant so putting Breitbart articles in my alerts and on the G…

Here's something: ask your Google Assistant how old the Earth is. Now ask how old the Moon is. Do you think it's just an innocent oversight that Google Assistant doesn't reply with the age of the Earth? Perhaps it is.

Re: The Google-Facebook Duopoly Threatens Diversity of Thought

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Post by hi-im-mi-ih »

padseeker wrote: post #65
hi-im-mi-ih wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide an example of WSJ defending duopolies, or this sort of thing?

I'd actually love to but the WSJ has a paywall. Generally speaking the WSJ editorial page always defends unfettered markets, less regulation, and anything that would be considered pro business. The WSJ calling for some sort of intervention to deal with the duopoly of Google/Facebook is very out of character. Any principled conservative would admit to that.

I see, thanks for the reply padseeker.

Re: The Google-Facebook Duopoly Threatens Diversity of Thought

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Post by dominotw »

leereeves wrote: post #50
dominotw wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is comcast not a monopoly? That was my only choice when I lived chicago.

Did you reply to the wrong comment, or did parent remove a reference to Comcast?

My comment was me wondering if there is more to monopoly than this

> 1) the ability to raise prices profitably above that in a competitive market, and 2) anticompetitive conduct.

Since that clearly applied to comcast and nothing has been done about it.

Re: The Google-Facebook Duopoly Threatens Diversity of Thought

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Post by guelo »

prepend wrote: post #44
guelo wrote: post #17

Right wing propaganda is so strong and coordinated these days that they can develop a new goal and drive a single message repeatedly across multiple platforms for months or years. This attack on Google is a new right wing message developed this year but they just keep hammering at it across all their channels tailoring their argument to the different audiences and continuously building mind share and momentum.

This is an interesting idea. Is the propaganda so strong and coordinated that the Republicans can influence EU antitrust agency? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-google-antitrust/eu-an... I think it’s interesting that you think antitrust Google benefits right wing groups over left wing groups. I think this thought is mainly due to the dichotomy of “google = good” and “republican = bad” having some transitive log…

I'm not saying the argument is right or wrong. I'm just amazed at the message discipline across many channels. Steve Bannon declared in july that they were going to start pushing for this [1] and since then the message keeps popping up everywhere. It's amazing power to shape the public discourse.

[1] https://theintercept.com/2017/07/27/steve-bannon-wants-faceb...

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Post by christmasity »

guelo wrote: post #17

Right wing propaganda is so strong and coordinated these days that they can develop a new goal and drive a single message repeatedly across multiple platforms for months or years. This attack on Google is a new right wing message developed this year but they just keep hammering at it across all their channels tailoring their argument to the different audiences and continuously building mind share and momentum.

>Right wing propaganda is so strong and coordinated these days that they can develop a new goal and drive a single message repeatedly across multiple platforms for months or years.

If that is the case, why is it that we see mostly left wing propaganda on social media and most news sites?

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