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Re: Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else and arent an entrepreneur?

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I do not know. But there are of course millions of people in our position. I suppose any possible solution can only come from the only strength we have, which is the knowledge of our shared, common situation. EDIT: Jesus I sound pompous sometimes...

Pompous perhaps but sensible. Please don't stop ranting.

Darn it, you stopped ranting.

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else and arent an entrepreneur?

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I don't quite agree with the risk angle because generally people who start their own businesses do so with strong family safety nets or with capital that they amassed in high paying professions. If their business fails, they are usually still ] better off than their employees.

I very much doubt this is the case. In 2011, over half a million businesses were started each month in the U.S. in addition to the 23 million small businesses that were already around. Seems unlikely to assume these were all from well to do folks with a strong safety net. Source: http://censtats.census.gov/cgi-bin/nonemployer/nonsect.pl

How many poor people have you developed software for personally?

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else and arent an entrepreneur?

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Two things you can do: 1) You can opt for job roles where your perks are directly linked to your efforts - eg: Sales, Marketing. 2) There are side projects which can get you really decent and increasing revenues. You need not be a big visionary and build a company around it but you with the help of some freelancers can manage it. I can help you with some ideas if you want.

> I can help you with some ideas if you want.

Sure, I'm always curious to hear ideas! Thanks

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else and arent an entrepreneur?

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I've spent the majority of my career feeling this way, OP, hopping jobs and feeling like a crazy person. I've left plum gigs at coveted companies; I've passed on opportunities that would have made me rich (could I have stuck with it). I've read and studied a ton of things to try to deal with it.

At a high level, this article summarizes my angst. Maybe you'll benefit from it. It's about moving into management, but the ideas of deliverables and contributions might help you understand some things about you.

"I no longer operated in my personal sweet spot, where my sense of accomplishment after closing a difficult sale or launching a new product was contingent on my having had a concrete deliverable and the sense that my efforts were integral to its success. Being a manager caused me to feel disconnected from what career analyst Daniel Pink has identified as the three primary motivators of behavior: autonomy, mastery and purpose. I had little autonomy, little interest in gaining mastery as a manager (in spite of myriad coaches), and felt dissociated from my true self."

https://hbr.org/2012/12/what-if-you-dont-want-to-be-a

When I evaluate the jobs I've loved or hated using autonomy, mastery, and purpose, I can clearly see why I've loved or hated them. We'll all fall in different places on those three scales; what's right for me won't be right for you. But I need high levels of all three (and mastery is the really tricky one) or the job will slide towards the hated end of the continuum.

Some of the many great books that have shaped my thinking: So Good They Can't Ignore You, Cal Newport Deep Work, Cal Newport Shop Class as Soulcraft, Matthew B. Crawford (that last one, watch out. you might never go back to work. But the chapter called "The Contradictions of the Cubicle" speaks volumes to me).

There are many others, but I got the most benefit out of those three. Hope this is helpful in some way.

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else and arent an entrepreneur?

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Hey! To you and Amiuba. I did get started into freelancing slowly. I had money saved when I quit my job and I took things slowly. I don't use freelancing websites. For marketing I use conferences, user-conferences and open-source. I am still in a good relationship with my last employer and I do freelance work for them too. Wrt the coop, one of my motivations is this Spanish open-source coop which has been running for…

Hey, I'm a freelance developer based in Montreal, Canada who is also incredibly interested in building out a freelancer/webdev co-op. Would love to hear more about your ideas and what direction you're interested in taking it :) Also, any tips on how to find clients at conferences? I've been to a few but never seem to meet anyone who's actually searching for a vendor. Most of my clients have come through my extended f…

Wonderful idea, I'm in MTL too. Sounds like an idea for a slack channel.

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else and arent an entrepreneur?

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I was in the same situation as you a while back. I do have some entrepreneurial spirit, and I'm working on my own project at the moment.

But something that I am doing on the side for a while now that pays 5x more every month than I used to make at my web development job, is crypto mining and lending.

I have been searching for highly reputable and transparent companies for a while before I got on board.

I then found and am currently mining with Lifestyle Galaxy, and lending trading with USI Tech.

Yes, it takes some money to start off with, but my initial capital has already been paid back and every day's payouts are pure profit. These companies also allow building networks as to grow your daily income even further. I'm making around $250 per day so far.

If you'd like more information, don't hesitate to email ( ninjavis@gmail.com ) me and I'll send you some more information on how easy it is to get up and running etc.

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else and arent an entrepreneur?

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If you're able to get a salary of 100k, then you're that top 5% or 10% that I mentioned _might_ be able to do well in a hot market. There are lots of people who aren't so lucky and don't have that opportunity.

Sure, I gave 100k as an example. But I think the same principle applies more generally. It is perfectly possible to run a freelance business charging $50/hour, just expect that your total annual take-home (after health, sales work, accountants, and so on) to be in the $50k range. As for being in a hot market, well this is hacker news and programming is a very hot market right now. I think a lot of people have a mista…

My 2 cents to everyone here: nowhere in the discussion did I hear of setting hourly rate based on the value you're bringing to the company. It's all about how much the other company was paying you and how much more you're worth now. It's good to be ambitious, but as a freelancing consultant - think about the value you're bringing for the client. Set your rates based on that. You bring X value, company gets 10X benefit.

Re: Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else and arent an entrepreneur?

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Pompous perhaps but sensible. Please don't stop ranting.

Darn it, you stopped ranting.

I only sporadically rant. But thanks for the encouragement.
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