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Post by owebmaster »

extra88 wrote: post #161
owebmaster wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We've survived this long without know how, or if, biology determines our current romantic behavior Do we? Because I see no evidence of the opposite. Also, culture (and sociology for the matter) is biologically determined.

Humans have existed a lot longer than science or the contemplation of nature vs. nurture. > no evidence of the opposite There's plenty of evidence that romantic behavior is culturally determined. Just look at how much it has changed over the centuries even though, biologically, humans have hardly changed at all. There's also the wide variance between cultures geographically in which we're all biologically the same.

Culture is biologic, that is my point.

Re: What People Think You Can’t Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by temp »

johnny22 wrote: post #86
temp wrote: post #2

Are you allowed to discuss income equality for male porn actors? Or is that taboo?

I've never heard that this is a taboo opinion?

I just assumed it's taboo since it's

1) almost never voiced by proponents of income equality despite being a very good example of extreme income inequality

2) frowned upon as a discussion point any time I've seen it mentioned

3) and apparently it's frowned upon on HN as well since it ended up flagged down and hidden

I believe that fits the definition of "taboo" pretty well.

Re: What People Think You Can’t Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by vxNsr »

gjjrfcbugxbhf wrote: post #169
vxNsr wrote: post #141

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Ugh, so done with this xkcd. Ignoring people who we don't agree with is how we got to a place where supporting your political party was more important than having an ideology you could morally justify. I personally lean fairly far to the right but I spend a lot of time listening to NPR, reading slate, and other pretty lefty publications. When I talk to people who only consume one side of the media, whether it's right…

The OP is talking about extreme views like racism (or in their case hating trans people). You are talking about listening to Democrat opinions. Very very different thing. I am quite happy to be friends with people with different political opinions or who vote for another party. I am also happy to know who is spouting racist, sexist or crazy drivel. This allows me personally to avoid them. Others may choose to engage…

How about listening as someone who calls for your family to be terrorized and killed; NPR regularly gives a platform to people like that (so often in fact, that some right-wing friends call it National Palestinian Radio). You think that because of your political affiliation you can't possibly be harboring abhorrent views, come out into the light. No one is asking you to invite klansmen to your dinner parties, just know that your crazy little militia (antifa) is every bit as hateful, fearmongering, and dangerous as the klan ever was.

It's in vogue now to compare antifa to the communists in 1930s germany and to pontificate on the whatifs. We know the whatifs though, they happened not 1000 miles to the east and caused just as much death and terror (if not more).

Most importantly, consider that those extremists you're afraid to waste your time with are a lot closer to you in both life experience and views than you're willing to admit. (pro tip: if you make fun of Kushner's voice or Trump's hair you got a lot in common with /pol/ when they use slurs like sand-n* or compare Obama to a monkey).

Re: What People Think You Can’t Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by gjjrfcbugxbhf »

vxNsr wrote: post #173
gjjrfcbugxbhf wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OP is talking about extreme views like racism (or in their case hating trans people). You are talking about listening to Democrat opinions. Very very different thing. I am quite happy to be friends with people with different political opinions or who vote for another party. I am also happy to know who is spouting racist, sexist or crazy drivel. This allows me personally to avoid them. Others may choose to engage…

How about listening as someone who calls for your family to be terrorized and killed; NPR regularly gives a platform to people like that (so often in fact, that some right-wing friends call it National Palestinian Radio). You think that because of your political affiliation you can't possibly be harboring abhorrent views, come out into the light. No one is asking you to invite klansmen to your dinner parties, just kn…

Wow just wow.

Re: What People Think You Can’t Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by dang »

frik wrote: post #94
anonbanker wrote: post #19

This is a fantastic HN thread to scroll to the very bottom, and see which opinions have been greyed-out from heavy downvote bombardments. Highly recommended.

Yes, and the HN news of yesterday got flagged and my account shadow banned. Apparently, someone should write a "What you can't say on Hackernews" (which will get banned) which lead to a "What People think you can't say on Hackernews"...

"Shadowban" means banning without saying so. We told you directly that we banned you, and why: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15939534. And we'd warned you a huge number of times in the past.

You've posted even more abusive comments since we banned you, confirming that it was the right call.

Re: What People Think You Can’t Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by vxNsr »

gjjrfcbugxbhf wrote: post #174
vxNsr wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about listening as someone who calls for your family to be terrorized and killed; NPR regularly gives a platform to people like that (so often in fact, that some right-wing friends call it National Palestinian Radio). You think that because of your political affiliation you can't possibly be harboring abhorrent views, come out into the light. No one is asking you to invite klansmen to your dinner parties, just kn…

Wow just wow.

Yeah, it can get pretty ugly lookin' in the mirror ;)

Re: What People Think You Can’t Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by dang »

vxNsr wrote: post #176
gjjrfcbugxbhf wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow just wow.

Yeah, it can get pretty ugly lookin' in the mirror ;)

Would both of you please stop? Nasty tit-for-tats are always off topic here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: What People Think You Can’t Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by tarsinge »

insickness wrote: post #157
tarsinge wrote: post #150

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It depends of the issues we are talking of. What I'm saying is that introducing biology at this point in the debate, by looking if the inequality is "natural" because phenotype A or chromosome B gives you some edge or not in science or other discipline, is kind of irrelevant given the weight of culture in our societies. I find it even dangerous because I don't think a lot of people are ready to understand the subtlet…

You're saying you want to keep science out of the 'debate.' That's not a debate. That's religion. You refuse to allow scientific evidence into the discussion because you don't trust people with that knowledge. We can't discuss science is what you're saying. We're supposed to keep our heads in the sand and pretend that genetics don't exist to support your agenda. No thank you.

I’m not saying I want to keep science out of the debate, I’m saying with our current state of knowledge there is no evidence to help conclude anything and tell things apart between biology and culture in complex high level chain of decisions like choosing a career path.

We can’t say “biology=true science!” and try to shoehorn it in the debate no matter what, this, is unscientific.

Yes, given that we don’t know, assuming it’s always culture to help society progress (and implicitly saying society needs a change) is a political and philosophical opinion, and on this we can disagree, but don’t invoke religion vs science to create a false dichotomy and paint me on the irrational side.

Re: What People Think You Can’t Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by johnny22 »

temp wrote: post #172
johnny22 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never heard that this is a taboo opinion?

I just assumed it's taboo since it's 1) almost never voiced by proponents of income equality despite being a very good example of extreme income inequality 2) frowned upon as a discussion point any time I've seen it mentioned 3) and apparently it's frowned upon on HN as well since it ended up flagged down and hidden I believe that fits the definition of "taboo" pretty well.

1) because the the constituency is too small probably

2) because it sounds like you're changing the topic about what's taboo in SV

3) i think people downvoted it because it's not relevant to the topic of what's taboo in SV.

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