There's a strong implication that Sesame Credit and the Social Credit System idea follow the example of FICO scores. Has anybody in the Chinese government explicitly stated this?
Inside China's Vast New Experiment in Social Ranking
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
This post gave me a negative opinion of you. See how this works?
Exactly. Thanks for proving my point.
Your point seems to have changed. The point of those replying to you is that snap judgements happen, and rarely are they correct. Your point was that we should be putting them into a global database for others to make second-hand judgements from bad data.
Growing up in a racist area and taking a public stand against racism would give one a very poor score, even after leaving.
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#33There's a strong implication that Sesame Credit and the Social Credit System idea follow the example of FICO scores. Has anybody in the Chinese government explicitly stated this?
Why would the Chinese government need to explicitly state this? The parallels are clear. The inventors of Sesame Credit and the Social Credit System have access to the same history we do about the FICO system.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note that if you are on the bad credit list, you aren’t allowed to fly or take the train. I guess this is so you can’t flee from your debts.
The article discusses two things: > Sesame Credit, controlled by a private organization (Alipay) > The government's List of Dishonest People, a blacklist of people who haven't paid fines. (The article conflates them because the Sesame Credit scores are downgraded based on whether the person has unpaid fines. However, Sesame Credit doesn't affect the government list) The "credit" list has no impact on trains/flying; n…
https://www.techinasia.com/china-citizens-scores-barred-from...
They call it a “social credit system” in china (the one that can get you barred from flights), besides not paying your fines you can get on the list if you happen to be a unharmonious dissident. It’s no wonder it is confused with the sesame credit system, since they are both credit systems that run in china. Here is a state-owned press link if you doubt tech Asia:
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#35In case people aren't making the connection, this ties in with the net neutrality issue in the US.
The core thing that they are attempting to do is to declare that the internet is no longer a river of information that they just pass along. Making this change is really important if you want more control over what people say and do on the internet.
Without net neutrality, it is easier to start funnelling more and more people through monopolies that cooperate with the government. The Chinese apps are a good example of that.
Make no mistake, the United States is no longer the bastion of freedom you believe it to be. And many in government would _love_ to be able to more effectively stifle political dissent and move to a one party system.
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#36The fact that they're doing this and the fact they're actively trying to export their political ideology via their Confucius institutes, etc. terrifies me. As China's influence grows, I worry they may make implementing similar systems of condition of doing business with them and that developing countries (in Africa especially) who are becoming increasingly reliant upon China for development funding, will lack the power to push back against this dystopian bullshit.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
>How much of this is happening in the US already, but without our knowledge Probably a lot. My cousin (Nth generation rich white dude) took a class (at an ivy league school) on the more technical side of terrorism where the professor outright told them that the research they would need to do to get a good grade they would result in them getting a lot more "random" searches at airports and the like. He said other stud…
Interesting price to pay for taking a class, is it part of any particular degree? On the other hand I guess you really get to learn how your government watches you.
Definitely not part of his degree. I think they had a professor who's specialty was that sort of thing so it was a "sought after" elective.
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#38In case people aren't making the connection, this ties in with the net neutrality issue in the US. The core thing that they are attempting to do is to declare that the internet is no longer a river of information that they just pass along. Making this change is really important if you want more control over what people say and do on the internet. Without net neutrality, it is easier to start funnelling more and more…
This hyperbole about lack of Title II classification being the end of democracy, capitalism, the intetnet, or the United States is getting really tiresome.
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#39In case people aren't making the connection, this ties in with the net neutrality issue in the US. The core thing that they are attempting to do is to declare that the internet is no longer a river of information that they just pass along. Making this change is really important if you want more control over what people say and do on the internet. Without net neutrality, it is easier to start funnelling more and more…
This hyperbole about lack of Title II classification being the end of democracy, capitalism, the intetnet, or the United States is getting really tiresome.
I was quite aware that some people would be tired and consider it hyperbole when I wrote that. Unfortunately these trends have been ongoing for quite some time. This apathy and dismissal of the net neutrality incident as being an isolated independent problem worries me. If some people become tired from reading my comments, that's too bad. But if you are going to dismiss them anyway, maybe you should not even bother reading them.
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#40The fact that they're doing this and the fact they're actively trying to export their political ideology via their Confucius institutes, etc. terrifies me. As China's influence grows, I worry they may make implementing similar systems of condition of doing business with them and that developing countries (in Africa especially) who are becoming increasingly reliant upon China for development funding, will lack the pow…
That political ideology is not particular to China. Suppression of political consent and overall increasing control are natural tendencies of government. People can be put on a list in the US for example and exempted from flying anywhere.