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Is This Genocide?

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Re: Is This Genocide?

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What many do not realize that this crisis, while regional, has the potential to fuel global conflicts in near future. There are roughly 5 million refugees in Bangladesh at present, a country which itself has poor infrastructure and struggling under the weight of its over population. A large number of these refugees are children and young adults, who saw their villages burned, family members raped and killed. They wil…

The Rohingya have literally been waging jihad for 60 years. This conflict started because of jihadist propaganda.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Weste...

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We are just arguing over semantics. It’s pure evil and needs to stop. I’m sure the US could intervene, but we’d need far more media coverage to generate outrage. Clinton was able to do it in the Balkans, but you’d need to convince the current administration to get a involved.

Babies in incubaters anyone? Not like it hasn't been done before... Outrage is easier to generate than proof.

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The problem is that this 'genocide' hasn't been verified to be true. Survivors describe atrocities, yet none are verified by any sort of observer or independent source. The Rohingya have been waging jihad on Myanmar for 60 years, having initially tried to annex Rakhine state to join then East Pakistan, and have been involved in attacking Burmese civilians as well as police recently. To start a large scale conflict an…

Médecins Sans Frontières actually released a press release [1] two days ago reporting that more than 6,700 Rohingya have been killed in one month. That is their most conservative estimate. MSF does not use the word genocide, but their report points towards it IMO.

I find the fact that you're suggesting that the atrocities are being made up by the Rohingya tasteless. Thousands of innocent people are being killed, that can't just be brushed aside because other members of their community have been involved in insurrection.

[1]. http://www.msf.org/en/article/myanmarbangladesh-msf-surveys-...

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post #19

The problem is that this 'genocide' hasn't been verified to be true. Survivors describe atrocities, yet none are verified by any sort of observer or independent source. The Rohingya have been waging jihad on Myanmar for 60 years, having initially tried to annex Rakhine state to join then East Pakistan, and have been involved in attacking Burmese civilians as well as police recently. To start a large scale conflict an…

Médecins Sans Frontières actually released a press release [1] two days ago reporting that more than 6,700 Rohingya have been killed in one month. That is their most conservative estimate. MSF does not use the word genocide, but their report points towards it IMO. I find the fact that you're suggesting that the atrocities are being made up by the Rohingya tasteless. Thousands of innocent people are being killed, that…

A survey of those in refugee camps in Bangladesh and then extrapolating those survey results to cover the whole population isn't actually proof of anything. They literally did a survey of survivors, they don't have any bodies.

So questioning a lack of proof is tasteless, but it's ok to start a conflict or drum up widespread outrage because something might be true?

The only reason I question things is because the Rohingya have literally been waging an insurrection for this entire generation's lives, they have ample motive to lie.

Also, the MSF survey sample size was 2 thousand people, and they didn't verify any reports, just assumed they were true.

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post #21
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What many do not realize that this crisis, while regional, has the potential to fuel global conflicts in near future. There are roughly 5 million refugees in Bangladesh at present, a country which itself has poor infrastructure and struggling under the weight of its over population. A large number of these refugees are children and young adults, who saw their villages burned, family members raped and killed. They wil…

The Rohingya have literally been waging jihad for 60 years. This conflict started because of jihadist propaganda. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Weste...

>>Following independence in 1948, the newly formed union government of the predominantly-Buddhist country denied citizenship to the Rohingyas, subjecting them to extensive systematic discrimination in the country.

From the Wikipedia article you posted.

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post #25
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Rohingya have literally been waging jihad for 60 years. This conflict started because of jihadist propaganda. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Weste...

>>Following independence in 1948, the newly formed union government of the predominantly-Buddhist country denied citizenship to the Rohingyas, subjecting them to extensive systematic discrimination in the country. From the Wikipedia article you posted.

Because they were literally the enemy in WWII. The line right above what you posted, but conveniently didn't quote.

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Médecins Sans Frontières actually released a press release [1] two days ago reporting that more than 6,700 Rohingya have been killed in one month. That is their most conservative estimate. MSF does not use the word genocide, but their report points towards it IMO. I find the fact that you're suggesting that the atrocities are being made up by the Rohingya tasteless. Thousands of innocent people are being killed, that…

A survey of those in refugee camps in Bangladesh and then extrapolating those survey results to cover the whole population isn't actually proof of anything. They literally did a survey of survivors, they don't have any bodies. So questioning a lack of proof is tasteless, but it's ok to start a conflict or drum up widespread outrage because something might be true? The only reason I question things is because the Rohi…

MSF are treating wounded refugees, so there is definitely proof of violence. There are 800,000 Rohingya refugees living in Bangladesh [1]. They must be running from something, right? I don't understand why you go to such an extent doubting the stories of these refugees.

[1]. http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/MYANMAR-ROHINGYA/0...

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I highly recommend the 2017 Massey Lecture that deals with genocide and the history of human rights. It's called In Search of a Better World by human rights lawyer Payam Akhavan.

Listen to the whole thing for free[1] or check out the book[2].

[1] http://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/lecture-1-in-search-of-a-bette...

[2] https://houseofanansi.com/products/in-search-of-a-better-wor...

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post #26
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Following independence in 1948, the newly formed union government of the predominantly-Buddhist country denied citizenship to the Rohingyas, subjecting them to extensive systematic discrimination in the country. From the Wikipedia article you posted.

Because they were literally the enemy in WWII. The line right above what you posted, but conveniently didn't quote.

Burma was a British colony during WWII. Are you really going to call someone the enemy for not siding with the murderous regime of imperial Japan?

Re: Is This Genocide?

#30
Woah!

Has to be the most heart wrenching article I’ve read in 2017! Babies and children slaughtered by hand, houses set on fire, in such large scale.

The evil that exists in the world is just crazy. I kinda wish I didn’t read the article.

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