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Is This Genocide?

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Re: Is This Genocide?

#11

Yes, obviously. It's obvious in the first paragraph. Why isn't the article called, the "The Rohingya Genocide". Didn't we learn anything from Rwanda?

My guess is that if you say "The Rohingya Genocide" then readers will assume it's a history lesson and skip the article. Whereas "Is This Genocide?" encourages readers to investigate on their own, hopefully educating more people in general

Re: Is This Genocide?

#12

Yes, obviously. It's obvious in the first paragraph. Why isn't the article called, the "The Rohingya Genocide". Didn't we learn anything from Rwanda?

Exactly what I was thinking. By putting a question mark in the title is taking away from the urgency of the situation. You really have to wonder?

Re: Is This Genocide?

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post #11

Yes, obviously. It's obvious in the first paragraph. Why isn't the article called, the "The Rohingya Genocide". Didn't we learn anything from Rwanda?

My guess is that if you say "The Rohingya Genocide" then readers will assume it's a history lesson and skip the article. Whereas "Is This Genocide?" encourages readers to investigate on their own, hopefully educating more people in general

Hmmm.. Thanks for this perspective. It was quite lost on me, but maybe if it worked for you, it did for others too.

Re: Is This Genocide?

#14
I have worked very closely with various Hindu and Buddhist groups and one Pakistani Muslim group.

After observing many issues I realized that Muslim world has heavily invested in US politics through various means. I have sympathies for all refugees but tales that NYT has been telling is extremely one sided. This sort of biased reporting comes because Saudi and Pakistan invest into cultivating the journalists and think tanks.

Sadly, activists on the ground can see this far too easily and they develop an adverse opinion about Muslims, even those who genuinely need our help.

SJW and keyboard warriors will read NYT piece and feel sad but most of the activists on the ground will see this and only cringe at NYT. Biased media reporting hurts the cause of these refugees.

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I've never cried by reading a news story but this one pushed me over the edge. I'm a 37 year old cynical bastard and I'm crying like a baby. 2017. Oh dear lord, no, we don't have flying cars yet but the genocides are doing just fine, thank you. Fuck.

Re: Is This Genocide?

#16
We are just arguing over semantics. It’s pure evil and needs to stop. I’m sure the US could intervene, but we’d need far more media coverage to generate outrage. Clinton was able to do it in the Balkans, but you’d need to convince the current administration to get a involved.

Re: Is This Genocide?

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post #4

What many do not realize that this crisis, while regional, has the potential to fuel global conflicts in near future. There are roughly 5 million refugees in Bangladesh at present, a country which itself has poor infrastructure and struggling under the weight of its over population. A large number of these refugees are children and young adults, who saw their villages burned, family members raped and killed. They wil…

My guess is that the West is trying to copy the East(China), and by that I mean that we are gonna see the rise of extremist governments that will pass as an answer to extremist groups but whose real interest lies in the ultra-efficient "social"-capitalism that China perfected. The tighter your grasp over people lives, the easier is is to have them buy stupid shit all the time and keep the wheels moving. And there we go again, till everyone is repressed enough that innovation will once again be a luxury of crazy people. Social and economical changes are usually the work of people that fail fast, move fast and break things. "make something people want" would work if people actually knew what they wanted, but most people have no idea about what their priorities are, so "make something people will get addicted to" works a lot better.

Re: Is This Genocide?

#18
I have no idea why an American should care one iota about some abstruse ethnic conflict literally on the other side of the world. You are spectacularly unlikely to be able to figure out based on thirdhand reporting who is metaphysically in the right, if there is such a party, and almost anything you do is likely to make the situation worse.

Re: Is This Genocide?

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The problem is that this 'genocide' hasn't been verified to be true. Survivors describe atrocities, yet none are verified by any sort of observer or independent source. The Rohingya have been waging jihad on Myanmar for 60 years, having initially tried to annex Rakhine state to join then East Pakistan, and have been involved in attacking Burmese civilians as well as police recently.

To start a large scale conflict and intervene in Myanmar, some sort of actual proof of genocide should be necessary, no? Every news outlet just plays a merry go round of citing unverified reports and then each other, and no one questions it?

Edit - also, the Rohingya have absolutely no motive to lie, right? Not like they've been involved in a jihad and insurrection for 60 years, right? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Weste...

Re: Is This Genocide?

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how ISIS was created after USA terrorise Muslims in the region raping, killing.

That's incorrect. ISIS was created out of a power vacuum in the region, between the US being asked to leave Iraq and the Iraqi Government becoming strong enough to control its own security fully, and the Syrian civil war. Their creation had absolutely nothing to do with US military abuses of that sort (which is not the same thing as denying any such abuses took place), that's not even a very good attempt at scapegoat…

> Their creation had absolutely nothing to do with US military abuses of that sort (which is not the same thing as denying any such abuses took place), that's not even a very good attempt at scapegoating its creation.

Actually, almost all of the ISIS higher-ups were radicalised within a US-run prisoner camp[0][1][2][3][4]. Many of the ISIS milita are US-trained soldiers whose funding got pulled, so of course, they went to the nearest employer.

So yes, it absolutely is because of US abuses. If the US had run the camp correctly, there would have been no opportunity for the prisoners to radicalise one another. If the US had handled withdrawing properly, the militia wouldn't have gone to ISIS. Sure, it's not 100% the fault of the US, but to say that it has nothing to do with the US is just plain ignorant.

[0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/-sp-isis-the-i...

[1]: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/camp-buc...

[2]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/11/0...

[3]: https://nypost.com/2015/05/30/how-the-us-created-the-camp-wh...

[4]: https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/how-a-u-s-prison-camp-in-iraq-...

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