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Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

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Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not his views, his financial support of legislative efforts to prohibit the same civil rights enjoyed by some in this country for other fellow Americans depending on their sexual preference. He lost the confidence of the internationally focused diverse organization he was charged with leading due to that financial support.

>his financial support of legislative efforts to prohibit the same civil rights enjoyed by some in this country for other fellow Americans depending on their sexual preference. ...So his political views.

His political actions. Views are just beliefs.

Mozilla is a private organization where Brendan Eich served at the pleasure of its body. What if he was pushing to rescind suffrage for women or to re-instate Jim Crow? Pushing for the legalization of child cannibalism by funding legislative efforts in that direction?

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

#93
post #24

If I had a nickel for every time someone told me that they were not allowed to say these things shortly after saying one or more of them ...

I think the greater concern are weaponized codes of conduct in an at-will employment environment. If you can’t say something without losing your job, you’re not free to say something. You can take every effort to respect someone else, not allow any of your behavior to be construed as harassment, and still be out the door because someone objects to or is offended by what you’ve said.

That's always been the case.

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

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I feel like it’ll take another dozen years before some people are ready to admit that “Liberal McCarthyism” is exactly what emerged around 2017.

And in the meantime, as someone who’s not interested in waiting on the current power-brokers in SV to admit to it, I think it makes sense for those who are the primary target of this new McCarthyism to engineer a way to preseve their rights.

Depending on SV’s prevailing power structure is obviously a terrible idea.

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

#95

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What else from that essay was grevious enough to fire him?

The whole thing made a textbook hostile workplace. He said the people around him only got their jobs because of their race or gender and were therefore incompetent.

It's pretty clear you didn't actually read it. I didn't at first either because I trusted the sources I was reading to give me a fair summary. That was a mistake. I didn't necessarily agree with what he said, but it was nowhere near as bad as what 90% of sources were reporting.

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the greater concern are weaponized codes of conduct in an at-will employment environment. If you can’t say something without losing your job, you’re not free to say something. You can take every effort to respect someone else, not allow any of your behavior to be construed as harassment, and still be out the door because someone objects to or is offended by what you’ve said.

That's always been the case.

To fix a problem, you must first identify it.

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

#98
im sure you dont care how correct i think the statements you make in your piece are, so ill just address the larger point you seem to be ignoring: there is no shortage of things to say that are correct, but serve no purpose. are you really shocked that people would not like you if you went around calling every fat and ugly person "fat and ugly"? given that our attention is a finite resource, the choice of where to focus it itself carries significant meaning. i suspect that many of those statements, when contextualized, imply things beyond their literal meaning. you are acting like its unfair to make this interpretation, and im sure there are many cases where it is. but you are pretty dumb if you really dont understand why saying "diversity of thought is more important than diversity of skin color" can sound like "im racist" depending on the context.

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

#99
> If San Francisco residents really believed that sea levels were rising, they’d have all sold their homes by now.

What an absurd argument. Is it possible instead that people are capable of believing that sea levels are rising and the US government wouldn't allow $500B worth of GDP to sink into the Bay?

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

#100
post #75

People cannot make decisions using facts; there are too many issues at play and the interactions between the facts are too complicated. In practice decisions are made by copying other socially successful persons. It seems completely obvious to me that any social grouping will have some strongly held convictions that are not based on fact. A unique set of sacred cows that persist because it is orders of magnitude fast…

Weirdly, that doesn't seem to have been a problem for those whose president was Charlton Heston.
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