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F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by russdill »

tptacek wrote: post #127

The voters elected a Republican government. That a Republican-led FCC would err on the side of under-regulating telecommunications companies is about the least surprising outcome you can imagine. Anybody who told you that lobbying the FCC was going to make a difference here was, whether they meant to or not, selling a bill of goods. As someone who respects but mostly profoundly disagrees with principled Republican la…

Yes, I think the biggest take away of this is to push the fact that republican legislators did not listen to their constituents. At all. They did not put their constituents first. At all. The chairman actually talked about consumers working with the FCC to enforce regulations as a bad thing.

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Post by murph-almighty »

Clanan wrote: post #116

Here are the salient quotes from the repeal which, I think, indicate the tech reaction to it might be overblown and might be "encouraged" by big tech players who aren't doing this for altruistic reasons. The key here is that the repeal allows the FTC to regulate things, and it's better at breaking monopolistic practices. (I'm still not sold on the argument that this will push innovation, though.) > 500-504 The FTC’s…

I'm going to bite- aside from AT&T and Time Warner, when is the last time the FTC has taken a pro-consumer action related to trusts?

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Post by pzone »

charter_sucks wrote: post #44
ikeboy wrote: post #26

Friendly reminder that economists surveyed are far more likely to be for paid prioritization than against http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/net-neutrality-ii

yeah....i mean i feel a big part of this is because these people made it without the internet and feel it's not as necessary as people rely on it today.

I can assure you that like all academics, economists are thoroughly reliant on the internet.

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Post by revmoo »

slg wrote: post #130
dorchadas wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it was a disaster. The only reason the rule got put into place was because Verizon was found to be throttling Netflix. There's no reason to suspect they won't go back to it as soon as they can.

If there was ISP competition then a Verizon customer could switch ISPs if they disagreed with the throttling of Netflix. I would compare it to wireless which never had these net neutrality rules. Is wireless a disaster? It seems like mobile plans are constantly including more data at faster speeds at a cheaper price. Some (all?) of the carriers have various anti-net neutrality policies but consumers at least have the…

> Is wireless a disaster?

Uhh yes. You must not own a cell phone or use a wireless data plan in the USA.

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Post by kin »

I'm surprised I haven't heard anything along the lines of Ajit being hacked or receiving death threats.

My only hope from this is that as soon as cable companies start their bullshit, people become aware of how this all happened and maybe we can reverse the damage in the long run. I'm also hoping things like Google Fiber get more aggressive or Musk keeps his promise of launching his internet satellite.

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Post by olympus »

rkuykendall-com wrote: post #110
jackfrodo wrote: post #36

This has made me feel pretty damn powerless, as pretty much every site/person of significance has stated their opposition to such a repeal, and yet they went through it anyway. Just a gut feeling that our democracy isn't working properly when such a loud and clear, great majority of the population messaging is completely ignored.

> our democracy isn't working properly Democracy doesn't work through public declarations, it works through elections. One year ago, the states chose Donald Trump as president, knowing they he would end Net Neutrality [1]. If a population wants to send a different message, they must do it in the next election [2]. [1] https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/53260835850816716... [2] https://swingleft.org/

Having a good memory is the singularly best way to combat the money corrupting politics.

The people just proved with the Alabama special election that they can change the establishment if they feel strongly enough about it.

Sadly I think the effects of repealing Net Neutrality will be felt more like a frog in a slowly heating pot of water, and no single change is going to entice the majority of the population to vote. It's not the tech industry that needs to be convinced that repealing neutrality is bad, it's the general non-tech population that needs to be convinced to care.

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Post by ikeboy »

raverbashing wrote: post #160
ikeboy wrote: post #26

Friendly reminder that economists surveyed are far more likely to be for paid prioritization than against http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/net-neutrality-ii

They are also in favour of letting people starve, on environmental externalities to be ignored and to nickel and dime people for short term profit ignoring long term consequences

Do you have links to the IGM polls showing that?

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Post by the_trapper »

c-cube wrote: post #92
JustAnotherPat wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bi-partisan? Pretty sure the vast majority of Republican candidates came out against it last November. People knew what they were voting for.

Because people voted for someone, doesn't mean they fully agree with the elected person's whole program. In an election you have only a few candidates for a large number of possible combinations of positions. If you mostly agree with republicans except on a few things, you're probably still going to vote republican.

Exactly. For example, if you believe very strongly in Second Amendment rights, most Democratic candidates are not an option on election day. Additionally, Hillary Clinton was a very polarizing candidate even among registered Democrats.

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Post by humanrebar »

dkonofalski wrote: post #123
Dangeranger wrote: post #34

This is proof positive that the current FCC commission has ignored the will of the voters on this issue. Support for Net Neutrality was overwhelming and bi-partisan, yet Ajit Pai just plowed forward without consideration for what the citizens demanded. This is government at its worst.

Which is exactly what cracks me up... Republicans, moreso than Democrats, are always talking about government screwing over the people and yet this vote was completely on party lines. I wonder how they're going to figure out that dissonance.

> Republicans, moreso than Democrats

Dunno. Fighting institutional is pretty popular on the left.

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