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F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by bllguo »

ikeboy wrote: post #52
Dangeranger wrote: post #34

This is proof positive that the current FCC commission has ignored the will of the voters on this issue. Support for Net Neutrality was overwhelming and bi-partisan, yet Ajit Pai just plowed forward without consideration for what the citizens demanded. This is government at its worst.

It's funny, the FCC's mandate isn't to poll the public and do whatever most of them want. Strange how people seem to think it's a numbers game, at least when they feel the numbers are on their side

Why did they solicit public feedback then? And why did they misrepresent public feedback and refuse to acknowledge that most people want net neutrality? Obviously they aren't beholden to what the public wants, but the latter is clearly scummy, is it not?

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by c-cube »

JustAnotherPat wrote: post #56
Dangeranger wrote: post #34

This is proof positive that the current FCC commission has ignored the will of the voters on this issue. Support for Net Neutrality was overwhelming and bi-partisan, yet Ajit Pai just plowed forward without consideration for what the citizens demanded. This is government at its worst.

bi-partisan? Pretty sure the vast majority of Republican candidates came out against it last November. People knew what they were voting for.

Because people voted for someone, doesn't mean they fully agree with the elected person's whole program. In an election you have only a few candidates for a large number of possible combinations of positions. If you mostly agree with republicans except on a few things, you're probably still going to vote republican.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by idibidiart »

If we stage a nation-wide boycot of Amazon, Walmart.com, and a few other big retailers (and stop using Google, Bing et al) I can almost guarantee it that they will move mountains to bring back net neutrality. You have to get the big corporations a profit motive to get anything done in this country.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by sflicht »

bllguo wrote: post #91
ikeboy wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny, the FCC's mandate isn't to poll the public and do whatever most of them want. Strange how people seem to think it's a numbers game, at least when they feel the numbers are on their side

Why did they solicit public feedback then? And why did they misrepresent public feedback and refuse to acknowledge that most people want net neutrality? Obviously they aren't beholden to what the public wants, but the latter is clearly scummy, is it not?

Isn't it because this is required by the Administrative Procedures Act?

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by wvenable »

yostrovs wrote: post #10
depeters wrote: post #7

American will no longer be a place of innovation. Another country will have to lead the world now

Right, it'll go back to being what it was before 2015 when net neutrality was instituted. The dread is unrelatable.

A lot of questionable stuff happened before 2015 and net neutrality was put in place to prevent more of that in the future. Thinking that it will be eternally 2015 is optimistic.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by moosey »

craftyguy wrote: post #68
electic wrote: post #18

It is time to make the Internet a utility. Unfortunately, it wont happen until we get Democrats back into the Senate and House.

Democrats had a chance to when they controlled both, and they didn't. This problem may not be as partisan as you think..

Due to the way contemporary news media works, I think that Democrats (for the time being) have rapidly depreciating political capital after any election. Last time they regulated health care, despite knowing it would cost them many seats in the coming election. To say that 'they had a chance' I think ignores a few important facts about the contemporary US electorate.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by Sangermaine »

craftyguy wrote: post #51
awinder wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-voters / people on the “there’s no difference” train also deserve a moment of reflection about whether their reality is true.

No. Give me a candidate worth voting for, and I will vote. The current "pick the lesser of two shitheads" is ridiculous. Both parties in the US are to blame. The two party system in the US today means that voting for anyone that is not a Democrat or Republican is a complete waste of time.

However you feel about the system, it's the system that exists. Refusing to make a choice in the system also has consequences, whether you like or want them. This action by the FCC is one of them.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by ngold »

Dangeranger wrote: post #34

This is proof positive that the current FCC commission has ignored the will of the voters on this issue. Support for Net Neutrality was overwhelming and bi-partisan, yet Ajit Pai just plowed forward without consideration for what the citizens demanded. This is government at its worst.

The fun part is when this goes to court and the veil of secrecy is lifted.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by matt4077 »

slg wrote: post #28

This has been asked a few times but never fully answered, can someone explain why this vote in particular is a problem? I understand net neutrality and I am all for it, but there was considerable public doubt before reclassification that this was the proper way to go about it. It also doesn't seem like the internet regulatory state of pre-2015 was a disaster. Would we better off focusing our efforts on increasing com…

The fear of Non-Net-Neutrality goes far beyond the usual "there's only two ISPs where I life and they both offer the same deals".

It's something in completely its own category of nefariousness because they could be as anticompetitive as they want, and the market could not solve it.

That's because the injured party isn't their customers, who could take their business elsewhere, or at least loudly complain on the internet (if they have any).

It's someone not part to the ISPcustomer contract, namely that unknown video startup in Nantucket, or the e2e-encrpyted messenger app your friend Lauren is working on. They're going to be forced into paying ISPs if they ever want to reach the ISPs' customers. And there's no risk to the ISP, because nobody is going to change ISPs for some startup they've never heard about.

The result could be ISPs capturing almost every cent of value created by new startups. We will also have a fractured internet, because small companies will have to negotiate contracts with every single ISP. Also want to reach those 500,000 people in eastern Montana? That'll cost you $2,000 per week.

Anyone not living on the US coasts, and people in other countries, will constantly run into "HTTP Error 469: go suck a bag of.."

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by microcolonel »

omginternets wrote: post #14

Europe has it's problems, but I don't regret moving to London. Not one bit. The innovation here is real and tangible, by and large unencumbered by this kind of crap.

> but I don't regret moving to London. Not one bit.

The UK, along with all other commonwealth countries, has no equivalent rules to repeal or support.

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