Didn't expect a simple job offering would bring all these political arguments and speculation from people hardly read any Chinese or understand Chinese history & economics. smh. It's just business, China has a strong STEM talent pool, and Google can easily select them from top in top at a competitive price.
Google to open artificial intelligence centre in China
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Re: Google to open artificial intelligence centre in China
#42Perhaps this is because I don't have the hard facts and figures right in front of me, but I have a hard time believing that foreign tech investments in China really pay off. The Chinese strategy seems to be to woo big foreign companies, build a critical mass of local users who want the product, ban or otherwise limit the foreign company's influence in China, then develop a home-grown Chinese version of the foreign co…
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Re: Google to open artificial intelligence centre in China
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not necessarily easier, just cheaper. Google can throw as much money at ML as it wants, but I contend that a top ML researcher is probably worth at least 3-5x more than mediocre one.
Not necessarily cheaper: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-24/in-battle...
To be fair, that's like comparing Two Sigma to Google.
Re: Google to open artificial intelligence centre in China
#44When we'll look back 20 years from now, we'll we see Google in the same light as we did IBM after helping the Nazi with their computers? Will Google allow its DeepMind technology to be used to spy on Chinese citizens and dissidents?
I find your argument rather lame. First, Chinese government is not Nazi and Google is not IBM. You can't just say that a government is Nazi just because you hate that government. Second, even if Google openly broke with Chinese government, it still has offices in China. I doubt that Google opens an AI center in China to "allow its DeepMind technology to be used to spy on Chinese citizens and dissidents", and I do thi…
> I find your argument rather lame.
not really, he managed to invoke nazis without it actually being godwins law. pretty impressive.
additionally, this is not a ridiculous comparison:
a) monopolistic, rights abusing dictatorship b) large us corp ignoring this to do business there and assist with 'dual use' tools which could be used for malice against its own citizens.
> You can't just say that a government is Nazi just because you hate that government.
similarly: you can't just dismiss a government's ills or to derail an argument because you like the people from that country or the stated intent of the action being peformed there by a company you like
Re: Google to open artificial intelligence centre in China
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
So assuming what you described is true, why hasn't the rest of the world declared war against the communist China? Because it's not close to what Nazis did. And that's my point. Btw, from the articles that you linked, it is quite clear that treating LGBT as disease is not a government policy. In fact, it is against the law. The government doesn't actively hunt for LGBT people and send them for treatment. In fact I th…
Your logic is not sound. North Korea was recently described as a worse human rights abuser than Nazi Germany, by a Holocaust survivor no less [0]. In spite of this commonly-held perception, no country has declared war on them, for many of the same economic and military reasons that no country has or would declare war on China. [0] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/north-korean-gulags...
Okay. Let me break down my arguments in 2 parts:
[1] China is not similar to Nazi because the extent of "cleansing" is not on the same scale as Nazi (even if you count death sentences on illegal cult members)
[2] China is not similar to Nazi because it does not initiate new wars against other countries (Tibet was incorporated as a result of ongoing conflicts between China and other countries for decades, so it is not really an invasion)
I shouldn't have concluded that countries are not declaring war against China is due to [1]. However, it can be explained by [2]. Regardless, I believe both [1] and [2] stands.
Re: Google to open artificial intelligence centre in China
#46When we'll look back 20 years from now, we'll we see Google in the same light as we did IBM after helping the Nazi with their computers? Will Google allow its DeepMind technology to be used to spy on Chinese citizens and dissidents?
Spying on citizens and dissidents, even if true, is nothing close to Nazis. For the record, - China was on the opposite side of Nazis in WW2 - China has 56 ethnic groups and has no plan to "cleanse" any of them
> - China was on the opposite side of Nazis in WW2
so was Stalin - are you saying comparisons between Stalin and Hitler would not be warranted?
Re: Google to open artificial intelligence centre in China
#47When we'll look back 20 years from now, we'll we see Google in the same light as we did IBM after helping the Nazi with their computers? Will Google allow its DeepMind technology to be used to spy on Chinese citizens and dissidents?
Sadly no, in 20 years the whiny relativistic people in charge of whichever authoritarian regime they have legitimized via their own apathy will be complaining that people didn't think that this was a 'cool' effort, much as they are doing here.
Re: Google to open artificial intelligence centre in China
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Spying on citizens and dissidents, even if true, is nothing close to Nazis. For the record, - China was on the opposite side of Nazis in WW2 - China has 56 ethnic groups and has no plan to "cleanse" any of them
> - China was on the opposite side of Nazis in WW2 so was Stalin - are you saying comparisons between Stalin and Hitler would not be warranted?
Mao wasn’t really, he was content to let the KMT fight off the Japanese while the communists would conserve their strength for the oncoming civil war; Chiangkai Shek knew this and tried to play the same game, but the Americans wouldn’t let him.
Mao is actually on record for thanking Japan in one of his weird off the cuff remarks:
> "(Japan) doesn't have to say sorry, you had contributed towards China, why? Because had Imperial Japan did not start the war of invasion, how could we communist became mighty powerful? How could we stage the coup d'état? How could we defeat Chiang Kai Shek? How are we going to pay back you guys? No, we do not want your war reparations!"
Re: Google to open artificial intelligence centre in China
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Spying on citizens and dissidents, even if true, is nothing close to Nazis. For the record, - China was on the opposite side of Nazis in WW2 - China has 56 ethnic groups and has no plan to "cleanse" any of them
> - China was on the opposite side of Nazis in WW2 so was Stalin - are you saying comparisons between Stalin and Hitler would not be warranted?
Okay, that was a rather weak point, I agree. Regardless, I do think there are more differences than similarities between the current China and the then Nazi.
Re: Google to open artificial intelligence centre in China
#50An under-reported fact is that Google has done more than any other country to help spread the use of AI in China. AlphaGo was a Sputnik moment that galvanized the government, which threw its weight behind AI a few months later. TensorFlow is widely used and Google is paying evangelists to tour the country, giving speeches and writing books about its use. This hiring center is just one piece of a larger strategy for them to ensure that TensorFlow wins the API wars in machine learning.