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Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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I find myself thinking about the effects of social media on humans. I feel we entered The Button Age. Want a pizza? Hit this button. Want to get groceries delivered? Want to watch a movie? Hit a button. Want to show you care about some cause or event? Hit a button. Want to reward your brain with dopamine and feed your narcissistic behaviors by pretending that viewing a curated timeline of people's "lives" is friendsh…

I call it the "Orgasmic Blob" theory. You just sit around in some VR world while robots do everything

While I love sci-fi as much as the average HN user, this is not going to happen. At least unless you are fortunate enough to be part of the .01% that will be in control of the resources by that time.

This is First World narcissism. We can't figure out how to feed everyone, but one day, when we finally make it, we can all blob around and livestream our lives while the robots take care of the drudgery. Hell, maybe someone on HN right now is working on Twitch for human behavior right now. The future's so bright I gotta wear shades.

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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You can always mute your phone and join the national do-not-call registry to cut down on the calls.

>join the national do-not-call registry to cut down on the calls. Buwahahahaha. Yea, like that stops the car warranty and health insurance spammers that fake the caller ID of a local number from ringing you 3 or 4 times a day.

It's not going to stop everyone, but it will stop some of them. I've been on it for years, and I only get a handful of calls a year from telemarketers (which tend to be the unscrupulous caller-id spoofing kind).

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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It's far better concentrating that effort on something constructive like reading a book or taking part in a creative hobby. Social media is a time suck... I would go so far as describing it as a scourge on humanity.

Would you consider participating in HN forums to be social media? I think it quite literally is that.

Yes, the voting system makes it social media. It's not as manipulative as other websites, but it's for that reason I wouldn't class it as a discussion forum.

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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I don't necessarily think you shouldn't have strong/ controversial conversations. Indeed, growing up, that was pretty much what the internet provided me: both a way to be exposed to new ideas, to challenge others, etc, and a way out of the stiffling intellectual backwater that was highschool/suburbia. But, "back in my day", we did it privately. Anonymously. We had handles/aliases. In person friends had conversations…

What's wrong with being identified with your beliefs? Using aliases is rarely really anonymous, you can probably infer my identity pretty easily. One can be above if one chooses, it's seems ultra-paranoid to want to discuss nothing unless you're anonymous - what do you talk about then in social situations IRL, do you wear a mask when you go out?

Well, like all social things there are degrees. One obviously has the option to talk about things pseudo-anonymously, indeed that's what my handle here at hn is, but there are levels of effort and plausible deniability involved in connecting that handle to my actual identity.

But in doing so, one is talking about topics that one feels relatively safe about: either because one is expressing opinions that are in some ways culturally mandated, or which are so trivial one doesn't view them as controversial, or because one holds a social position whereby even though those views are contentious one feels they have enough social power to get away with expressing them.

But we don't have a perfect idea of what is deemed contentious in the future or what future contexts will be, so if you're not in a position of relative social power, and are assuming you're going to stay in that position for the plausible future, you're taking massive risks...or alternately your not really discussing very controversial opinions.

I'm lucky, in that I don't have anything that society currently views as a strong negative and I'm now in a relatively powerful position, but even I have to wear a "social mask" when I go out because my brain doesn't seem to work like most people's, and common topics of conversation dont really interest me.

But imagine others, or even me hypothetically investigating opinions I don't necessarily agree with. Indeed, back at university, for example, I attended various religious groups and meetings: I was interested from an anthropology perspective, but if someone had taken my name out and associated me with that group, that might kiss goodbye future employment.

And what about other groups and genuinely controversial opinions: gay men in religious communities, women in Saudi Arabia, minorities and ethnic groups, drug users, pirates, criminals, anarchy/communist/separatists/far right groups, fetishists and swingers, racists and religious fundamentalists (again, I did some work on the latter back at university). Even being interested in such topics in any serious fashion is enough to raise a bit of "social suspicion" from a social capital perspective...

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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What if we declared Facebook to be a monopoly and broke it up like we did Ma Bell in the 70s? I dunno. Feels like it's too big, too ubiquitous, and is too much oriented towards encouraging behaviors that are much better for their pockets than for anyone using it. Hell, look at this story: Facebook already has (according to a quick google search, [citation needed]) about 58% of the US' entire adult population, or 3/4…

An interesting idea, which raises a lot of questions: Along which lines could it be broken up? Datacenters? Subsets of the social graph? Would you liked to be grouped with your family, your school or your church? It seems very plausible that one of them would grow and engulf everyone, while the others woulg go the way of MySpace. What then?

My answer to most of your questions (which are good ones!) is "go look at the activitypub/ostatus world, especially Mastodon". Federation between smaller, user-supported social sites creates a very different world than ones built to put eyeballs in front of ads.

I may be biased by having pretty much ditched Twitter for a Mastodon instance that I run for myself, a few friends, and whoever else thinks it would be cool to be @username@dragon.style and have a Twitter-like thing that lets them emit 7k tweets if they want to.

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