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Facebook wants your children's mind

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Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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As a parent and someone who has always found social media unpalatable, I think this isn't new or specific just to FB. The competition to control your children's mind begins early and never stops when it comes to any institutionalized power mechanism, that's how power is reinforced and retained over generations.

This is just another thing you'll need to teach your children about as you do your best to ready them for the world and help them become independent thinkers.

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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Indeed, he doesn't really hide it; as his famous quote goes, "They 'trust me'. Dumb fucks."

True, I just meant that he doesn't really acknowledge the harm that it does. Oh well, at least people are becoming more aware of it.

I guess it's sort of like a fast-food restaurant owner telling the customers that the food isn't healthy. What's the point? Everyone probably already knows that, and they'll eat it anyway (for various reasons).

Facebook (and other social media sites) is like the digital version of a fast-food restaurant. And luckily for them they have 2 billion users eating it, so there is a lot of peer pressure on others who'd rather not eat to go there anyway because their friends are there.

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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Surely there’s a way to keep these relationships alive outside of the system! Even an opportunity to make them more meaningful.

> Surely there’s a way to keep these relationships alive outside of the system! Yes: RSS and/or email lists. I have a blog and email client, but I also know some people who wouldn't use those things. It sucks, but that's the way things are now.

Maybe those people should know someone who doesn't use Facebook, instead of you thinking you're forced to use Facebook because they won't use something else.

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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The article speaks of using powerful algorithms and AI to scour Facebook's dark corners of pedophilia, terrorism, suicide, etc. This led me to a somewhat scary conclusion. Taking the following premises:

* Community management, AI, and algorithms in general will eventually be powerful enough to do completely eradicate anything considering double plus ungood by Facebook.

* Life on Facebook is a slice of human social life, although admittedly poorly curated.

* Sensor and mobile technology will before long be good enough to have a full annotated and indexed high definition 3D recording of every person's existence at all moments.

With these taken together, it's not hard to imagine a Facebook that becomes the perfect law enforcer and social control mechanism far beyond anything thought up by Orwell or Demolition Man, definitely leaning more toward the Matrix.

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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Jeez I quit Facebook like 6 years ago and never looked back. What’s the real need here? Old buddies you barely know of? Let them go. Just drop FB, it’s not that important, and 70% of people are clearly (by reading all the “I quit Facebook drama posts”) over attached to it.

Same but when I needed to work on an app for work, I had to create a profile and eventually got blocked until I uploaded my drivers license. Still, my account is blocked.

Mark is truly an asshole

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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I personally use it quite a bit for keeping these relationships alive. I think Facebook is a great tool for that. I have contentious debates over ideas with people I know, but more importantly, with people a couple links away from me. It's been an extremely helpful bridge out of the filter bubble I'd probably otherwise inhabit. Of course, I'm not at all sure the benefits I've gotten have any resemblance to most peopl…

Contentious public debates with people I barely know is exactly why I use Facebook less than I used to.

It's far better concentrating that effort on something constructive like reading a book or taking part in a creative hobby. Social media is a time suck... I would go so far as describing it as a scourge on humanity.

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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Jeez I quit Facebook like 6 years ago and never looked back. What’s the real need here? Old buddies you barely know of? Let them go. Just drop FB, it’s not that important, and 70% of people are clearly (by reading all the “I quit Facebook drama posts”) over attached to it.

> What’s the real need here? Old buddies you barely know of? Let them go. I really like this attitude (not being sarcastic). People seem to think Facebook is a great way to keep in touch. I think it's a great way to waste your time, and slowly devalue your relationships.

Relationships thrive when time and effort are invested. Facebook is a platform for replacing traditional investment vehicles with significantly smaller, if much more convenient, investments - and to show you ads. Thus while Facebook can yield strong short-term returns, it is a bad choice for people who want large, long-term, returns from their personal relationships.

Consider for example friends and family you talk to over the phone, go out drinking with, have parties with, have lunch with, etc., as compared to those whose cat pictures you just looked at on your phone.

That's how I look at it at least.

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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From their point of view why wouldn't they, children become eyeballs, sorry adults with money to spend. I've given up expecting corporations to be nice, I haven't quite given up on expecting them to obey the law, the bits they haven't written themselves anyway.

B-but they had that rainbow flag avatar thingy for LGBTQA folk! They can’t be the bad guys!

Virtue signalling is profitable.

Re: Facebook wants your children's mind

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Jeez I quit Facebook like 6 years ago and never looked back. What’s the real need here? Old buddies you barely know of? Let them go. Just drop FB, it’s not that important, and 70% of people are clearly (by reading all the “I quit Facebook drama posts”) over attached to it.

I second this notion. It's amazing how, even on a technically literate forum like HN, the posters around here make the same arguments that they /need/ FB to stay connected. Im five years clean from FB and have never looked back. It is absolutely possible to maintain communication with friends and family without Mr Zuckerberg's spy system. I encourage those of you who think it's a necessity to please try to spend even…

I need alcohol to have fun

Bad!

I need drugs to be happy

Bad!

I need Facebook to stay connected! (and thus be happy and have fun)

No problem!

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