Video Shows Starving Polar Bear on Iceless Land

Post by chinathrow » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 2:49 PM UTC

knownothing wrote: post #28

chinathrow wrote: post #13

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There are folks who on purpose do not participate in BTC because they know the energy consumption is wrong. Go tell people about it and they might get it.

And they make their snide observations from where? That's right, their computers. How much energy is spent consuming and deliving Facebook? Or iOS games?

Post by jackhack » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 2:51 PM UTC

emmelaich wrote: post #21

tim333 wrote: post #3

While it's sad that the bear died it's a bit of a jump to link it to global warming.

Yep, it's probably just old. Which is not to doubt global warming and it's effect on polar bear populations. Just that this particular bear is not really evidence.

Post by jackhack » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 2:52 PM UTC

eemax wrote: post #18

ant6n wrote: post #15

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> I am merely pointing out that one could produce a video of a starving polar bear both in our world and in the world where climate change is not happening, because wild animals starve all the time. Good thing most people already know we don't live in the world where climate change is not happening, so this doesn't need to act as proof of it happening, but rather as an individual example of what is happening all over…

Yes, this is probably effective propaganda, and moreover, propaganda for a just cause. Nonetheless it is not evidence for climate change, and moreover it is not even necessarily an example of the effects of climate change - even we 100% fix climate change, there will still be plenty of starving wild animals available for sad videos. The actual way to ensure there are no starving wild animals is to exterminate them in…

Post by noir_lord » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 3:06 PM UTC

Jill_the_Pill wrote: post #55

noir_lord wrote: post #27

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> Most rich countries acknowledge climate change and try to come up with solutions. The big outlier is the US. You could generalise that to:- Most rich countries acknowledge and try to come up with solutions. The big outlier is the US. Where is healthcare, corporate governance, lobbying, women's rights, racism, income equality, prison incarceration rates, police brutality. Growing up in the UK in the 80's I was fasci…

The problem is: if you remove yourself, it's still going on back home. It's probably better to stay where you have some power to try to change it for everyone's good, particularly when foo is something like climate that affects the whole world. (or that's what I tell myself when Canada beckons)

Post by icc97 » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 3:18 PM UTC

eemax wrote: post #11

Individual animals in the wild die cruel, slow, painful deaths all the time, regardless of whether their species as a whole is thriving or not. So while this video might evoke a strong emotional response, it is just an anecdote and not actually evidence one way or the other for human-caused climate change. Of course, human-caused climate change is obviously real, but it's not OK to use bad arguments even if your conc…