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Video Shows Starving Polar Bear on Iceless Land

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Re: Video Shows Starving Polar Bear on Iceless Land

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Post by ZenoArrow »

chrischen wrote: post #39
ritchiea wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to use whatever arguments are effective to steer people and governments to good policy as long as we know those arguments are supporting a cause that is scientifically backed. Some people don't get and don't want to get scientific evidence. If there is a plausible causal chain from global climate change to that suffering polar bear we should be using that polar bear to convince people climate change is real a…

That’s called propoganda. You advocate using propoganda to justify a cause you have predetermined to be scientifically backed. Why not just use the scientific backing directly?

Propaganda can be used for good. A lot of the stories that children are told by their parents and teachers when they were young are based on the same principals as propaganda. Propaganda is just done on a larger scale.

Re: Video Shows Starving Polar Bear on Iceless Land

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eemax wrote: post #11

Individual animals in the wild die cruel, slow, painful deaths all the time, regardless of whether their species as a whole is thriving or not. So while this video might evoke a strong emotional response, it is just an anecdote and not actually evidence one way or the other for human-caused climate change. Of course, human-caused climate change is obviously real, but it's not OK to use bad arguments even if your conc…

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Re: Video Shows Starving Polar Bear on Iceless Land

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Post by b4lancesh33t »

oconnor663 wrote: post #33
b4lancesh33t wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has anyone in the linked article or in these comments tried to position this video as evidence of climate change? I don't see it if so.

Sure, it's in the original article. > By telling the story of one polar bear, Nicklen hopes to convey a larger message about how a warming climate has deadly consequences.

I don't think the photographer would say that the polar bear should convince anyone that climate change is occurring. Instead, they assume that reasonable people are already convinced, and are trying to demonstrate a reason one should care.

Re: Video Shows Starving Polar Bear on Iceless Land

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Post by Jill_the_Pill »

noir_lord wrote: post #27
ant6n wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most rich countries acknowledge climate change and try to come up with solutions. The big outlier is the US.

> Most rich countries acknowledge climate change and try to come up with solutions. The big outlier is the US. You could generalise that to:- Most rich countries acknowledge and try to come up with solutions. The big outlier is the US. Where is healthcare, corporate governance, lobbying, women's rights, racism, income equality, prison incarceration rates, police brutality. Growing up in the UK in the 80's I was fasci…

The problem is: if you remove yourself, it's still going on back home. It's probably better to stay where you have some power to try to change it for everyone's good, particularly when foo is something like climate that affects the whole world. (or that's what I tell myself when Canada beckons)

Re: Video Shows Starving Polar Bear on Iceless Land

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Post by Jill_the_Pill »

knownothing wrote: post #28
chinathrow wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are folks who on purpose do not participate in BTC because they know the energy consumption is wrong. Go tell people about it and they might get it.

And they make their snide observations from where? That's right, their computers. How much energy is spent consuming and deliving Facebook? Or iOS games?

Depends where their electricity is coming from, doesn't it?

Re: Video Shows Starving Polar Bear on Iceless Land

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Post by pohl »

chrischen wrote: post #39
ritchiea wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to use whatever arguments are effective to steer people and governments to good policy as long as we know those arguments are supporting a cause that is scientifically backed. Some people don't get and don't want to get scientific evidence. If there is a plausible causal chain from global climate change to that suffering polar bear we should be using that polar bear to convince people climate change is real a…

That’s called propoganda. You advocate using propoganda to justify a cause you have predetermined to be scientifically backed. Why not just use the scientific backing directly?

The opposing side is currently employing a constant deluge of propaganda to push their side of the debate. Insisting that we educate all of humanity in enough science to sway them would be bringing the proverbial knife to a gunfight.

Re: Video Shows Starving Polar Bear on Iceless Land

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Post by jackhack »

thomasfl wrote: post #6

The world needs more SolarCoin and less Crypto Kitties https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/29/solarcoin-cryptocurrenc...

This is getting really, truly absurd.

Might as well trade in four-leaf clovers. They're solar generated, renewable, organic, gluten free, etc. etc. etc. And just as worthless. Let me take that back. At least clovers can be plowed back into the soil and used to improve the earth.

What the world needs is to wake up from this nonsense and get back to actually making tangible products and quit obsessing on ways to sell mindshare of fellow citizens as if it is a commodity.

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