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Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows

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Re: Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows

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Post by adrianmonk »

nradov wrote: post #127
adrianmonk wrote: post #33

I think the headline is accurate because that is indeed what the study shows, since it compared a control group to a group on a very low calorie diet. But I'd really like to know if this is any _more_ beneficial than more normal, gradual weight loss, like a 2000 calorie diet that gets you down to the same weight.

A lot of people with sedentary lifestyles will gain weight on a 2000kcal diet.

These are people who lost 15 kg or more (33+ pounds). Most likely they were pretty overweight to start with.

And the heavier you are, the easier it is to lose weight because it takes energy to just maintain all that extra body weight.

Point being, there are certainly some people would not lose weight on 2000 calories/day, but I would guess that isn't true for most of the people in this study.

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Post by dragonwriter »

adrianmonk wrote: post #171
nradov wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people with sedentary lifestyles will gain weight on a 2000kcal diet.

These are people who lost 15 kg or more (33+ pounds). Most likely they were pretty overweight to start with. And the heavier you are, the easier it is to lose weight because it takes energy to just maintain all that extra body weight. Point being, there are certainly some people would not lose weight on 2000 calories/day, but I would guess that isn't true for most of the people in this study.

> And the heavier you are, the easier it is to lose weight because it takes energy to just maintain all that extra body weight

Well, the higher a calorie intake you are likely to be able to maintain and still lose weight, which is very much not the same as “the easier it is to lose weight.”

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Post by jason_slack »

esalazar wrote: post #40
randlet wrote: post #3

> he diet was a formula of 825–853 calories per day for 3 to 5 months, followed by the stepped reintroduction of food over two to eight weeks. That is going to be a brutal 3-5 months. Worth it in the end though. Also, c'mon, a range of 825-853 calories? Nobody is counting calories that accurately and it would have been better to say "roughly 850 kCal per day".

You can get quite a lot of food in 850 calories. Vegetables are pretty low cal. Below is a plan I just created that is less than 850 calories Total Cals - 836 Breakfast: 2 eggs - 156 calories Lunch: 2 cups of spinach - 14 calories 1 cup of bell peppers - 39 calories 200 grams chicken breast - 226 calories Snack: 1 banana - 105 calories Dinner: 200 grams chicken breast - 226 calories 1 cup of broccoli - 31 calories 1…

While there are a few comments that this is a single meal. This is pretty much how I consume my food each day. The only exception is that I tend to add an Icelandic style yogurt to breakfast and some turkey sausage. Puts me around 1,000 calories.

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Post by walterbell »

rhinoceraptor wrote: post #148
Mithaldu wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> wear a mask that would breathe for me while I slept Dude, that's a really bad misrepresentation and very unhelpful to all the people who do need one. Many of them already struggle with self-worth issues, and seeing (whether intentional or not) lies like that spread, or worse, parroted back at them by others later does not help that. It's made a lot worse by the alternative being to gamble on suffocating in your sle…

I don't think anyone is disparaging you for needing a CPAP. The goal is to get people to a point where they don't need one. There are many other health devices that are (likely) obviated by proper health status in life, and maybe more importantly, in utero. Two that come to mind that affect me are glasses and braces.

Any pointers on methods for reducing the need for glasses and braces?

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Post by jason_slack »

jason_slack wrote: post #170
_2dsr wrote: post #26

Kind of related: it's fun as a Type 1 Diabetic when people tell me that I should be able to manage my disease with just diet. Or when they get upset because I eat a bowl of ice cream or something (even though I bolused properly for the carbs). It's really unfortunate that T1 and T2 diabetes have the same name, since they're completely different diseases that just happen to share some symptoms.

I was diagnosed with type 2 about 4 years ago. I was 245 pounds. My daily fasting number was around 180. I was put on Metformin. Now, I am off the Metformin and down to about 180 pounds. Diet and exercise were key. I dont check my blood sugar anymore because my medical insurance doesn't cover the supplies. If I checked my sugar just twice a day it would run me almost $400 a month in supplies. $400 buys all of my food…

why did I get down-voted for this?

Re: Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows

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Post by toomuchtodo »

BlytheSchuma wrote: post #172
toomuchtodo wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Carbs are carbs.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160216111400.h...

I should’ve been more clear, my apologies. Even if isomaltulose is released more slowly in the bloodstream, it’s quantity is higher in Soylent than one would prefer.

Too many carbs are too many carbs.

Re: Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows

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Post by 0xcde4c3db »

randlet wrote: post #3

> he diet was a formula of 825–853 calories per day for 3 to 5 months, followed by the stepped reintroduction of food over two to eight weeks. That is going to be a brutal 3-5 months. Worth it in the end though. Also, c'mon, a range of 825-853 calories? Nobody is counting calories that accurately and it would have been better to say "roughly 850 kCal per day".

> Also, c'mon, a range of 825-853 calories? Nobody is counting calories that accurately and it would have been better to say "roughly 850 kCal per day".

That range might represent the precision of data they have for the formula mixture (if e.g. macronutrient data is only given to the nearest gram or half-gram and you consider the possible rounding error in both directions).

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Post by jaskerr »

nradov wrote: post #131
martin1975 wrote: post #92

Well I know what most assuredly can reverse type 2 diabetes at least in overweight people - metabolic surgery. I was 30+ BMI, in the category 1 obese - nothing serious like rolling downhill kind of obese, however for a 5'9" at nearly 210 lbs (and not really going down), I was big..it's just that I'm one of those people who hides his weight really well (or carries it, if you prefer). I had a VSG procedure 6+ months ag…

The concept of a metabolic set point is a myth based on a misinterpretation of research. Many overweight people — including those with families and jobs — have gotten down to a healthy weight and maintained it permanently purely though lifestyle changes. So please don't claim that it's impossible.

Care to back up that claim? Can you point/link to research papers that demonstrate the misinterpretation?

Re: Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows

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Post by jawngee »

jason_slack wrote: post #170
_2dsr wrote: post #26

Kind of related: it's fun as a Type 1 Diabetic when people tell me that I should be able to manage my disease with just diet. Or when they get upset because I eat a bowl of ice cream or something (even though I bolused properly for the carbs). It's really unfortunate that T1 and T2 diabetes have the same name, since they're completely different diseases that just happen to share some symptoms.

I was diagnosed with type 2 about 4 years ago. I was 245 pounds. My daily fasting number was around 180. I was put on Metformin. Now, I am off the Metformin and down to about 180 pounds. Diet and exercise were key. I dont check my blood sugar anymore because my medical insurance doesn't cover the supplies. If I checked my sugar just twice a day it would run me almost $400 a month in supplies. $400 buys all of my food…

Type 1 is an auto-immune disease. Type 2 is not and cannot become type 1, though you might become insulin dependent at some point.
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