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Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the world copied it?

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>there's a bunch of people that say it's going to cause the corruption of society Well, just look at the US. Political correctness is getting totally out of hand and the same is happening more and more in European countries. Changing traditions causes a lot of entitlement in people who also feel that they should get a special treatment and it seems that there's no end to it. In a democratic society, entitlement from…

It's hilarious to me that conservatives will talk about political correctness getting "out of hand", while downplaying or ignoring pathologies that result from their own beliefs that have caused, and continue to cause, extraordinary amounts of death, torture, poverty and suffering. Come back when lynch mobs have literally hanged thousands of people for being politically incorrect. Or when millions of people are being…

The 100 million people killed by Communist regimes in the last 100 years were nearly all killed for being “politically incorrect.”

It’s basically a defining feature of Communist-Socialist regimes: imprision or liquidate dissenting voices.

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> less handguns = less deaths. This does not follow. Take Brazil for example. 60k homicides per year, and guns are pretty much forbidden. Of course, criminals don’t seem to care.

Brazil has a homicide rate of 26.74 per 100,000, of which 19.99 are from firearms. The USA has a homicide rate of 4.88 per 100,000. of which 3.60 are from firearms. It's also interesting to note that the USA has the highest homicide rate of all "first world" nations, trailing close behind wonderful places like Kyrgyzstan and Somalia. The next highest "first world" nation, Canada, is 1.68 (1/3 of the USA), of which 0.…

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1485564/ "Nevertheless, the correlations detected in this study suggest that the presence of a gun in the home increases the likelihood of homicide or suicide." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11130511 "Across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides."

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Each country needs to have its own thing. In Brazil for example, a measure like this wold not have any impact because we do not have control over our borders. Take smoking for example. Even if tabacco its alowed, its really expensive to buy legalized cigarrets. So peoplo just smoke cheap ones, that enter from Paraguai border, with no quality control, and brougth in Brazil by organized crime, or even produced in cland…

Governments heavily tax tobacco with the hope of lowering the associated health costs (and tax money is always juicy). But almost all the time it backfires and these happen: -People just keep smoking -It creates an economical burden in house holds with smokers because of the prices and difficulty of quitting -Smuggling or bad quality tobacco consumption increases. So, like most things government does, intervention wi…

I have to agree.

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> this is exactly what above comment talks about. You are picking the country that fits that narrative but forget about all of the rest. Try Europe.

What about Europe? Guns are allowed, although strictly regulated, and there're very few homicides.

He's saying that Europe has strict gun control laws and thus less homicides

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>> They absolutely need to have it called marriage Yes, because that's equality. We've tried "separate but equal" before, haven't we? It doesn't work out, and it's used as an excuse for continuing discrimination. This is not entitlement, it's equal treatment.

Gay marriage is like plant-based/fake burgers. Some people will say it is burger, some will say it is not. I'm more inclined to say that it is a "fake marriage", but I have nothing to do with the relationship of any two-person out there.

What makes it fake?

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Each country needs to have its own thing. In Brazil for example, a measure like this wold not have any impact because we do not have control over our borders. Take smoking for example. Even if tabacco its alowed, its really expensive to buy legalized cigarrets. So peoplo just smoke cheap ones, that enter from Paraguai border, with no quality control, and brougth in Brazil by organized crime, or even produced in cland…

Smuggled tobacco is at most 30% of Brazilian market. Was 16% before 2011. If we had 70% of legalized marijuana, we would be much better. Source: https://www.em.com.br/app/noticia/economia/2014/07/04/intern...

MAybe. Still, wold have to be taxed at least as much as cigarrets, and I don't think that people used to consume cheap pot would migrate to legalized one.

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I think there may be something to this. Though perhaps a better term than "rebuttal" is "backlash". The conservative backlash has long been mooted by social commentators. It's likely a large cohort of Trumps voters were those who were incensed by "central government interfering in local affairs", in particular the case of Kim Davis springs to mind. Never mind that Trump doesn't exactly embody conservatism, I'd imagin…

>I'd imagine a large amount of conservative voters, alarmed by social progress would have voted him out of spite. Most conservatives are driven almost entirely by spite: http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/29/17971903-to-figh... >When the more expensive CFLs were sold without environmental messaging — but touted the fact that CFLs last 9,000 hours longer than the less expensive incandescent bulbs and reduce ener…

Their kids will grow up with asthma, but at least they trolled the liberals.

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> Which to compare to? Like any-friggin-one! You had to compare to bottom of the barrel to find a country that has the worse situation with guns than US.

I don't live in the US, but I'm skeptical. There are a lot of places where civilian gun ownership causes problems, gun crime, etc. Some of the places where it does not cause big problems (eg Switzerland) have liberal gun laws and high ownership rates. There are examples where widespread gun ownership/availability causes exactly the kinds of is "problems" that (according to some) the American founders intended it to c…

> the American founders intended it to cause. Basically, armed revolutions.

So ... After all the history that passed since then, after all the civil wars and armed revolutions do we still believe they are good idea?

I guess US military thinks so after supporting so many in the middle east. Europe I think has different take on the subject.

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Yeah it does, Australia. That's the prime example of fewer guns = fewer deaths.

Australia also had reduced number of gun-unrelated deaths. In fact the percent reduction in those cases was larger than the reduction of gun deaths. So the stricter gun laws can't be considered the sole explanation for fewer deaths.

There's been a world-wide reduction in crime since the 1970s. It's very possible to isolate the impact of Australia's gun laws by comparing to other similar countries that didn't implement a major gun ban at the time.

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Drug use is rising in Portugal. https://www.npr.org/2011/01/20/133086356/Mixed-Results-For-P... The Guardian skirts around the issue with some weasley phrasing “ensuing years saw dramatic drops in problematic drug use”. Problematic according to whom? Being a high functioning addict who claims to be fine does not mean that you don’t have a serious problem that is damaging your relationships and potential.

How about the number of people living sober lives? That seems like at least as important a number.

And to what extent is the continued illegality of selling drugs in Portugal keeping people away from drugs by virtue of wanting to avoid the shady characters who sell them? It seems likely that true legalization would lead to a massive increase in usage.

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