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Re: Google Blocks YouTube Access from Amazon's Streaming Devices

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If only Net Neutrality went both ways...

Except it doesn't, by definition. It's "Network neutrality", not "absolutely anything anybody thinks of when they say 'The Net' neutrality."

Similarly, "Road Neutrality" only applies to actual roads. It doesn't mean the local McDonald's has to let anybody could use their drive-thru for any reason, or that you're allowed to park in your neighbor's driveway, or that you can freely wander around a NASCAR track.

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they were never good at each other. To have the best of two worlds is to have one Chromecast and one Fire TV. At least I don't need an Apple TV nowadays because Chromecast is good enough for local streaming and some occasional mirroring from Mac (although not the same quality as Apple TV).

Or just use a device and content delivery platform that isn't developed by a content producer... like Roku, Kodi, etc.

Roku is a local US thing (cannot get that in Europe) and Kodi is not a match for Chromecast and/or Fire TV and I never want to think or spend too much of installing the right stuff on my "TV box".

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This is one reason why the Roku is such a great streaming platform, they're neutral. You can receive VUDU (Walmart), Prime Video (Amazon), and YouTube/Play Movies (Google). The only thing you cannot receive is Apple's ecosystem (but no non-Apple streaming hardware can as far as I know). Same reason why Spotify is so prevalent, they too are neutral in this war between titans. I have no sympathy for Google or Amazon in…

Google had all unofficial YouTube apps removed from the Roku Channel Store. It wasn't until the Roku 3 if my memory serves me right that they had an official one made.

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Curious, is this a violation of net neutrality? This seems even worse for the consumer than simply having to pay more. At least then you still can get access. Do we clamor for the government to come regulate it? Be careful when considering this so as not to be inconsistent with your reasoning behind NN for ISPs.

This reminds me of those older consumers who think "The Internet" is program on their computer. They have a confusion between labels and ideas.

Network neutrality means neutral behavior of the transmission networks.

It does not mean "Everything consumers think of when they hear the words 'The Net'" neutrality.

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This is one reason why the Roku is such a great streaming platform, they're neutral. You can receive VUDU (Walmart), Prime Video (Amazon), and YouTube/Play Movies (Google). The only thing you cannot receive is Apple's ecosystem (but no non-Apple streaming hardware can as far as I know). Same reason why Spotify is so prevalent, they too are neutral in this war between titans. I have no sympathy for Google or Amazon in…

Amazon just pulled Twitch from Roku

It's unfortunate but the app has some real issues. It tends to crash people's Roku or lag the devices to the point of being unresponsive to input. There's a Twitch channel for Plex you can use with the Plex app, but it has audio sync issues, most noticeably with 1080p @ 60fps

Re: Google Blocks YouTube Access from Amazon's Streaming Devices

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's to say Google doesn't pull YouTube API access from Roku or Kodi next? This salvo at Amazon isn't their first, and may not be their last.

Best way to prevent this kind of content hoarding is to support neutral platforms.

How does that actually prevent anything? Using Roku/Kodi to consume YouTube doesn't stop YouTube from content hoarding, and YouTube from having all the power in the relationship. You using a Roku doesn't have any bearing if a content creator is releasing to YouTube.

Yes, it would be great if there was a more neutral video sharing platform than YouTube, but it's not "you the consumer" that gets the power to choose that.

Not to mention that today's neutral consumer platform is tomorrow's acquisition target. You can scamper from platform to platform, of course, but again, you don't really have much in the way of power in those relationships either.

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post #65
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon just pulled Twitch from Roku

It's unfortunate but the app has some real issues. It tends to crash people's Roku or lag the devices to the point of being unresponsive to input. There's a Twitch channel for Plex you can use with the Plex app, but it has audio sync issues, most noticeably with 1080p @ 60fps

They had obviously stopped working on it a while ago but I can't be the only one who regularly uses it to watch streams.

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I'm sorry, but I have absolutely no pity for Amazon here. They've consistently misrepresented things to remove anything google from the amazon store. They wouldn't support google's cast protocol for their streaming video service and they used that as an excuse to remove the chromecast. They won't carry the google home because it competes with the echo.

If anybody is abusing a monopoly here it is amazon. I'm glad google finally threw down the gauntlet, I hope they make amazon regret all of this.

I sincerely regret purchasing amazon tablets because they are junk for my kids. If it weren't for third party apps like netflix and plex those tablets wouldn't be worth the $40 I spent on them. I can install google play services and "almost" turn them into normal android tablets, except amazon makes sure you get constant errors if you do that.

When I found out that there was no youtube kids app on the amazon fire I nearly lost my mind. I don't want to get up every Saturday morning at 5 am just because my triplets don't have funny cat videos to watch...

Re: Google Blocks YouTube Access from Amazon's Streaming Devices

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With YouTube TV and Prime Video coming to the Apple TV, it actually will be the one device that has everything.

Until it isn't of course. It is challenging to understand how greedy these people are such that they really want both all the data (viewing habits, demographics, etc) and all the revenue.

Prime Video has been struggling so Amazon can't afford the strategy tax of limiting it to their own devices [1]. The more Apple TVs that are sold by Apple, the more untenable their position becomes, especially when Netflix will be on any device. Amazon vs Google might be turning into a hot war (which makes sense since they're competing in an increasing number of businesses), but that's not the case with Apple.

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/where-amazon-is-failing-to-domi...

Re: Google Blocks YouTube Access from Amazon's Streaming Devices

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post #61
post #14

If only Net Neutrality went both ways...

Except it doesn't, by definition. It's " Network neutrality", not "absolutely anything anybody thinks of when they say 'The Net' neutrality." Similarly, "Road Neutrality" only applies to actual roads. It doesn't mean the local McDonald's has to let anybody could use their drive-thru for any reason, or that you're allowed to park in your neighbor's driveway, or that you can freely wander around a NASCAR track.

Fair enough. In this case, "Road Neutrality" protects the consumer's access to a restaurant or bank. However, in reality there are civil rights laws that in turn forbid those restaurants and banks from refusing service to customers based on their ethnicity and gender.

I don't think it's a stretch, if we're comparing Networks to roads, to also compare network services like Google and Youtube to public accomodations like restaurants, hotels and banks, and discuss a set of protected classes for internet nondiscrimination.

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