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Lost Einsteins: The Innovations We’re Missing

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Re: Lost Einsteins: The Innovations We’re Missing

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What's interesting is that the great innovations of the early 20th century, weren't by a diverse group of people. Eastern European Jews (of which Einstein was a member) produced a disproportionate amount of those discoveries. This was despite the fact that they were among the most persecuted groups in history. Because of this, I don't think that US government policy is the major reason for the differences in the arti…

Eastern European Jews had limited occupation opportunities and subject to special restrictions. Their disproportional amount in occupations that allowed them in might as well be consequence of government policies - which prevents them to do other occupations.

Also, educated richer Eastern European Jews tended to leave Eastern Europe way more then poor Jews who were numerous.

Re: Lost Einsteins: The Innovations We’re Missing

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I didn’t even begin to understand the patent system or even the business side of innovation until I was in my late 30s. Yet, I have noticed that the most financially successful innovators that I know have had many family advisors and connections throughout their life. But, inequality is just a small piece. First, you need real education reform - educating kids on how the system operates. The current education system…

> It teaches 99% of kids to become cogs in a system. working as intended then ?

>working as intended then ?

Yes... the whole of education is to make society ignorant of reality.

See here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYFxtNgOeiI

Then below...

Our brains are much worse at reality and thinking than thought. Science on reasoning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ

Protectionism for the rich and big business by state intervention, radical market interference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHj2GaPuEhY#t=349

Manufacturing consent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwU56Rv0OXM

https://vimeo.com/39566117

"Intended as an internal document. Good reading to understand the nature of rich democracies and the fact that the common people are not allowed to play a role."

Crisis of democracy

http://trilateral.org/download/doc/crisis_of_democracy.pdf

Education as ignorance

https://chomsky.info/warfare02/

Testing theories of representative government

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/fi...

Re: Lost Einsteins: The Innovations We’re Missing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dying in the gutter because you can't afford health insurance seems pretty miserable to me. Working at Walmart for minimum wage to make Sam Walton's useless children richer seems pretty miserable to me. There are many well proven ways to make people more equal, strong government welfare programs being one. They are very straightforward. Culture doesn't make people winners and losers, a brutally enforced system of aut…

You are saying one thing, but describing another. We want people to always have good opportunities to bootstrap themselves out of a terrible situation (your gutter and wallmart situations). But we don't want to remove all the rewards from turning time into value. "brutally enforced system of authoritarian capitalism" think you have a few opinions there that are deeply rooted in feelings ... When you are alone on an i…

You're pretty clueless as to the history of capitalism.

From war is a racket:

"I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil intersts in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."[p. 10]

"War is a racket. ...It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives." [p. 23]

"The general public shoulders the bill [for war]. This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations." [p. 24]

General Butler is especially trenchant when he looks at post-war casualties. He writes with great emotion about the thousands of traumatised soldiers, many of who lose their minds and are penned like animals until they die, and he notes that in his time, returning veterans are three times more likely to die prematurely than those who stayed home.

http://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Antiwar-Americas-Decorated/...

Blum:

http://williamblum.org/aer/read/137

US distribution of wealth

https://imgur.com/a/FShfb

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

The Centre for Investigative Journalism

http://www.tcij.org/

Some history on US imperialism by us corporations.

https://kurukshetra1.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/a-brief-histor...

Re: Lost Einsteins: The Innovations We’re Missing

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post #25

I didn’t even begin to understand the patent system or even the business side of innovation until I was in my late 30s. Yet, I have noticed that the most financially successful innovators that I know have had many family advisors and connections throughout their life. But, inequality is just a small piece. First, you need real education reform - educating kids on how the system operates. The current education system…

1. We need "cogs" in the system. In a developed nation in the 21st century being a "cog" is a really great existence.

2. Profoundly gifted people generally do rise to the top as our system is already structured, assuming they want to, given the average amount of support.

"The System" as it stands is doing a great job of the dual goals of helping the average live their lives to the fullest and also giving the gifted a chance to rise above the rest.

Re: Lost Einsteins: The Innovations We’re Missing

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post #25

I didn’t even begin to understand the patent system or even the business side of innovation until I was in my late 30s. Yet, I have noticed that the most financially successful innovators that I know have had many family advisors and connections throughout their life. But, inequality is just a small piece. First, you need real education reform - educating kids on how the system operates. The current education system…

1. We need "cogs" in the system. In a developed nation in the 21st century being a "cog" is a really great existence. 2. Profoundly gifted people generally do rise to the top as our system is already structured, assuming they want to, given the average amount of support. "The System" as it stands is doing a great job of the dual goals of helping the average live their lives to the fullest and also giving the gifted a…

I do agree that ‘cogs’ are necessary. However, shouldn’t the individual be able to decide that, not the educational system? The current system doesn’t enrich children in ways that allow kids to explore other options. Look up successful technology company founders - you’ll see that many went to alternative schools like Montessori. But, the vast majority of kids don’t have access to that type of exploratory education.

I disagree about your second point based on my experiences. I grew up ‘gifted’ in a working class, rust belt city. Many of my schoolmates ended up with decent middle class jobs. And, a surprising number even went on to get PhDs. An even more surprising number didn’t make it to graduation.

The majority of the PhDs ended up switching fields (with tremendous debt) after working for a few years. The few that went on to become professors, successful researchers, and innovatvators came from rich families with well-educated and successful parents.

My main criticism of our system is that it doesn’t veer far from basic primate behavior. I would even bet that a general model of primate hierarchical system would do well in predicting human success. And, that’s an absurd model, especially today. Humans have given up or suppressed many primate behaviors in order to live in the modern world. But, we still hold on to familial hierarchical behavior - maybe because the dopamine rush of being at the top just feels so damn good.

I am very curious to know your background and why you hold those opinions.

Re: Lost Einsteins: The Innovations We’re Missing

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post #25

I didn’t even begin to understand the patent system or even the business side of innovation until I was in my late 30s. Yet, I have noticed that the most financially successful innovators that I know have had many family advisors and connections throughout their life. But, inequality is just a small piece. First, you need real education reform - educating kids on how the system operates. The current education system…

1. We need "cogs" in the system. In a developed nation in the 21st century being a "cog" is a really great existence. 2. Profoundly gifted people generally do rise to the top as our system is already structured, assuming they want to, given the average amount of support. "The System" as it stands is doing a great job of the dual goals of helping the average live their lives to the fullest and also giving the gifted a…

>Profoundly gifted people generally do rise to the top as our system is already structured, assuming they want to, given the average amount of support.

In the US? What makes you think that?

Re: Lost Einsteins: The Innovations We’re Missing

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. We need "cogs" in the system. In a developed nation in the 21st century being a "cog" is a really great existence. 2. Profoundly gifted people generally do rise to the top as our system is already structured, assuming they want to, given the average amount of support. "The System" as it stands is doing a great job of the dual goals of helping the average live their lives to the fullest and also giving the gifted a…

I do agree that ‘cogs’ are necessary. However, shouldn’t the individual be able to decide that, not the educational system? The current system doesn’t enrich children in ways that allow kids to explore other options. Look up successful technology company founders - you’ll see that many went to alternative schools like Montessori. But, the vast majority of kids don’t have access to that type of exploratory education.…

Interesting comment. I grew up in a blue-ish collar rust-belt city, was "gifted" (whatever that means) and ended up getting a PhD (no debts, though) that I now arguably don't make money from. Everything you mentioned is very common, but I'm not sure that observation points to some kind of change we can make versus the underlying day to day realities of the US circa 2017.

My big takeaway from years inside higher education both as a student and as staff and adjunct faculty is that the most successful people are those aligned with wealthy, connected families and despite my aptitude, I was always on the outside looking in. It's as though there are two colleges, two universities, which is the same in the "real world" also--a few get brought along because they're connected and the rest of us are encouraged to believe in the illusion, the lie, really, that we can have true upward mobility. I have been upwardly mobile, but only because where I came from was so low. In comparison to the insiders I am talking about, many of whom I would characterize as drooling idiots who would never make it on their own merits, my own arc is far less profound.

The children of the wealthy and connected will always have the upper hand and there's nothing you can do about it other than take big risks to start your own business and build up wealth faster than working for someone else can accomplish. If you succeed, you will be "new money" and remain an outsider. You may improve the lot of your heirs, however.

The biggest slap for me in my whole life of hard work and continuous improvement is the realization that I prospered more via marrying well than I have in my actual career and that even my relatively modest wealth does not compare to the most successful people because the bar has moved so incredibly far up.

Re: Lost Einsteins: The Innovations We’re Missing

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. We need "cogs" in the system. In a developed nation in the 21st century being a "cog" is a really great existence. 2. Profoundly gifted people generally do rise to the top as our system is already structured, assuming they want to, given the average amount of support. "The System" as it stands is doing a great job of the dual goals of helping the average live their lives to the fullest and also giving the gifted a…

I do agree that ‘cogs’ are necessary. However, shouldn’t the individual be able to decide that, not the educational system? The current system doesn’t enrich children in ways that allow kids to explore other options. Look up successful technology company founders - you’ll see that many went to alternative schools like Montessori. But, the vast majority of kids don’t have access to that type of exploratory education.…

To your first point, business is largely a zero sum game at any given time for business owners. I believe the number of entrepreneurs who can be supported by the economic ecosystem is already at its current carrying capacity, so giving more opportunity to the poor will not increase the total sum but rather just change the social background of those who go on to become entrepreneurs. This is not a bad thing, but it still leaves us with the same number of people succeeding and failing as we have now.

To the anecdotes you mention, there is only a finite amount of basic research which can be done at any given time. A finite number of avenues which can be pursued. At a certain point the work being done by scientists becomes redundant. From this perspective, throwing more researchers at a problem doesn't necessarily increase our productivity. Those whose work is valued enough by someone willing to pay - either Universities or businesses - will be the ones who get to pursue that work. Again, I believe that the active research being done now is sufficiently pursuing those promising lines of research which exist.

To your third point, humanity has advanced very much from our primitive existence in the distant past, in terms of the well being of the masses as well as our collective capabilities.

If you feel the existence of hierarchies is antithetical to progress, I would challenge you to find any complex system in which hierarchy of some sort does not exist. I believe that hierarchy is a fundamental characteristic of productive, complex systems.

Re: Lost Einsteins: The Innovations We’re Missing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. We need "cogs" in the system. In a developed nation in the 21st century being a "cog" is a really great existence. 2. Profoundly gifted people generally do rise to the top as our system is already structured, assuming they want to, given the average amount of support. "The System" as it stands is doing a great job of the dual goals of helping the average live their lives to the fullest and also giving the gifted a…

>Profoundly gifted people generally do rise to the top as our system is already structured, assuming they want to, given the average amount of support. In the US? What makes you think that?

Well the public and private school system which the vast majority of youth in the US take part in has mechanisms for identifying the gifted. Those who excel in school generally go on in life to better themselves.

Most people are not profoundly gifted, so the majority simply do as well as their parents, give or take.

Re: Lost Einsteins: The Innovations We’re Missing

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That trope is sort of bullshit. Both matter. It does apply when the idea is some kitschy social media thing but not so much when it's a real key innovation.

The problem is we don't have much of a theory of innovation. Google beat AltaVista etc because of execution, not because page ranking was the most amazing invention in history. But to get to Google you need a trail of gamechanger innovations in science, physics, and math. All those innovations were created by individual geniuses armed with a pen, some paper, a brain, and maybe some discussion with other geniuses. At…

I'm skeptical of whether there can be a theory of innovation. Innovation means a novel movement in state space toward some new maximum in the fitness landscape. Each movement is going to be different. Each innovation is a unique thing.

A theory of innovation would be like a theory of adaptation. You can say vague general things like "adaptations occur because of natural selection" but you could never formulate a theory specifying the exact sequence of concrete changes or events leading to an adaptation.

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